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Doctor Who "The Sun Makers" November and December 1977
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Adam H. Kerman
2024-05-31 04:50:54 UTC
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I don't subscribe to any streaming services and haven't seen Doctor Who
since Disney+ took over distribution. I may not be missing much, I know.

I obtained DVDs from the library, starting with one of my favorite
episodes, "The Sun Makers". This episode made quite the impression on
me as a child. It's farewell to Leela's original costume, the leather
leotard. (The transition to the leather dress costume is in "Image of the
Fendahl", later in production but broadcast first. The dress is lighter
in color.) Louise Jameson was sexy as hell in the original costume --
all leg -- and the costumer was told to make her look even sexier in the
replacement costume. Which do you prefer?

I've mentioned before that she corrupted my childhood, yes?

Everything is right with this episode. A pissed off writer was dealing
with Inland Revenue. He was highly motivated to make the corrosive
effects of taxation a main part of the plot, and there are pointed
references to Inland Revenue throughout the episode. Because Tom Baker
and Louise Jameson were not getting along, they don't share too many
scenes. Leela gets to lead plenty of the action and makes several
rousing speeches. The actress has said this was her best episode, and I
think you might agree.

The Fourth Doctor just works best in social satire; Baker's performance
is a delight.

The decision has been made to keep K9 as a companion; the prop was
originally intended to be used for "The Invisible Enemy" only; K9 is
broken in "Image of the Fendahl" and has no lines. John Leeson is back
in the voice cast. There's nothing wrong with David Brierly's
performance in the 17th season; I just expect him to sound like Leeson.

The main enemy, the Collector, is a Usurian, which is hysterical. Good
performance by Henry Woolf. Even more memorable are the henchmen Hade
(Richard Leech) and Marn (Jonina Scott), and the way the obsequious Hade
addresses the Collector.

Some of the supporting characters are fully drawn and used effectively,
especially Cordo (Roy Macready). It's an early role for Michael Keating,
who was cast as Vila in Blake's 7 due to his performance in this
episode.

Yeah, too much action takes place in very long corridors lacking set
decoration, but we will forgive that.
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2024-06-04 19:42:18 UTC
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Post by Adam H. Kerman
I don't subscribe to any streaming services and haven't seen Doctor Who
since Disney+ took over distribution. I may not be missing much, I know.
I obtained DVDs from the library, starting with one of my favorite
episodes, "The Sun Makers". This episode made quite the impression on
me as a child. It's farewell to Leela's original costume, the leather
leotard. (The transition to the leather dress costume is in "Image of the
Fendahl", later in production but broadcast first. The dress is lighter
in color.) Louise Jameson was sexy as hell in the original costume --
all leg -- and the costumer was told to make her look even sexier in the
replacement costume. Which do you prefer?
I've mentioned before that she corrupted my childhood, yes?
Everything is right with this episode. A pissed off writer was dealing
with Inland Revenue. He was highly motivated to make the corrosive
effects of taxation a main part of the plot, and there are pointed
references to Inland Revenue throughout the episode. Because Tom Baker
and Louise Jameson were not getting along, they don't share too many
scenes. Leela gets to lead plenty of the action and makes several
rousing speeches. The actress has said this was her best episode, and I
think you might agree.
The Fourth Doctor just works best in social satire; Baker's performance
is a delight.
The decision has been made to keep K9 as a companion; the prop was
originally intended to be used for "The Invisible Enemy" only; K9 is
broken in "Image of the Fendahl" and has no lines. John Leeson is back
in the voice cast. There's nothing wrong with David Brierly's
performance in the 17th season; I just expect him to sound like Leeson.
The main enemy, the Collector, is a Usurian, which is hysterical. Good
performance by Henry Woolf. Even more memorable are the henchmen Hade
(Richard Leech) and Marn (Jonina Scott), and the way the obsequious Hade
addresses the Collector.
Some of the supporting characters are fully drawn and used effectively,
especially Cordo (Roy Macready). It's an early role for Michael Keating,
who was cast as Vila in Blake's 7 due to his performance in this
episode.
Yeah, too much action takes place in very long corridors lacking set
decoration, but we will forgive that.
yay
The Doctor
2024-06-04 20:59:44 UTC
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Post by Adam H. Kerman
I don't subscribe to any streaming services and haven't seen Doctor Who
since Disney+ took over distribution. I may not be missing much, I know.
I obtained DVDs from the library, starting with one of my favorite
episodes, "The Sun Makers". This episode made quite the impression on
me as a child. It's farewell to Leela's original costume, the leather
leotard. (The transition to the leather dress costume is in "Image of the
Fendahl", later in production but broadcast first. The dress is lighter
in color.) Louise Jameson was sexy as hell in the original costume --
all leg -- and the costumer was told to make her look even sexier in the
replacement costume. Which do you prefer?
I've mentioned before that she corrupted my childhood, yes?
Everything is right with this episode. A pissed off writer was dealing
with Inland Revenue. He was highly motivated to make the corrosive
effects of taxation a main part of the plot, and there are pointed
references to Inland Revenue throughout the episode. Because Tom Baker
and Louise Jameson were not getting along, they don't share too many
scenes. Leela gets to lead plenty of the action and makes several
rousing speeches. The actress has said this was her best episode, and I
think you might agree.
The Fourth Doctor just works best in social satire; Baker's performance
is a delight.
The decision has been made to keep K9 as a companion; the prop was
originally intended to be used for "The Invisible Enemy" only; K9 is
broken in "Image of the Fendahl" and has no lines. John Leeson is back
in the voice cast. There's nothing wrong with David Brierly's
performance in the 17th season; I just expect him to sound like Leeson.
The main enemy, the Collector, is a Usurian, which is hysterical. Good
performance by Henry Woolf. Even more memorable are the henchmen Hade
(Richard Leech) and Marn (Jonina Scott), and the way the obsequious Hade
addresses the Collector.
Some of the supporting characters are fully drawn and used effectively,
especially Cordo (Roy Macready). It's an early role for Michael Keating,
who was cast as Vila in Blake's 7 due to his performance in this
episode.
Yeah, too much action takes place in very long corridors lacking set
decoration, but we will forgive that.
yay
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Blueshirt
2024-06-04 20:40:56 UTC
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Post by Adam H. Kerman
I don't subscribe to any streaming services and haven't seen
Doctor Who since Disney+ took over distribution.
Do you use a VPN? If so, you could try accessing Doctor Who via
the BBC iPlayer.
Post by Adam H. Kerman
I may not be missing much, I know.
With modern Doctor Who YMMV of course.
Post by Adam H. Kerman
I obtained DVDs from the library, starting with one of my
favorite episodes, "The Sun Makers". This episode made quite
the impression on me as a child. It's farewell to Leela's
original costume, the leather leotard. (The transition to the
leather dress costume is in "Image of the Fendahl", later in
production but broadcast first. The dress is lighter in
color.) Louise Jameson was sexy as hell in the original
costume -- all leg -- and the costumer was told to make her
look even sexier in the replacement costume. Which do you
prefer?
I didn't appreciate her original costume as much then as I do
now.
Post by Adam H. Kerman
I've mentioned before that she corrupted my childhood, yes?
Leela corrupted all of us!
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Everything is right with this episode. A pissed off writer was
dealing with Inland Revenue. He was highly motivated to make
the corrosive effects of taxation a main part of the plot, and
there are pointed references to Inland Revenue throughout the
episode. Because Tom Baker and Louise Jameson were not getting
along, they don't share too many scenes. Leela gets to lead
plenty of the action and makes several rousing speeches. The
actress has said this was her best episode, and I think you
might agree.
The Fourth Doctor just works best in social satire; Baker's
performance is a delight.
A good episode, but it wouldn't be in my 4th Doctor top ten!
The Doctor
2024-06-04 21:04:29 UTC
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Post by Adam H. Kerman
I don't subscribe to any streaming services and haven't seen
Doctor Who since Disney+ took over distribution.
Do you use a VPN? If so, you could try accessing Doctor Who via
the BBC iPlayer.
Post by Adam H. Kerman
I may not be missing much, I know.
With modern Doctor Who YMMV of course.
Post by Adam H. Kerman
I obtained DVDs from the library, starting with one of my
favorite episodes, "The Sun Makers". This episode made quite
the impression on me as a child. It's farewell to Leela's
original costume, the leather leotard. (The transition to the
leather dress costume is in "Image of the Fendahl", later in
production but broadcast first. The dress is lighter in
color.) Louise Jameson was sexy as hell in the original
costume -- all leg -- and the costumer was told to make her
look even sexier in the replacement costume. Which do you
prefer?
I didn't appreciate her original costume as much then as I do
now.
Post by Adam H. Kerman
I've mentioned before that she corrupted my childhood, yes?
Leela corrupted all of us!
Leela was tough!
SJS did too much!
romana was a comprismise!
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Post by Adam H. Kerman
Everything is right with this episode. A pissed off writer was
dealing with Inland Revenue. He was highly motivated to make
the corrosive effects of taxation a main part of the plot, and
there are pointed references to Inland Revenue throughout the
episode. Because Tom Baker and Louise Jameson were not getting
along, they don't share too many scenes. Leela gets to lead
plenty of the action and makes several rousing speeches. The
actress has said this was her best episode, and I think you
might agree.
The Fourth Doctor just works best in social satire; Baker's
performance is a delight.
A good episode, but it wouldn't be in my 4th Doctor top ten!
Touch to say what is 4thDoctor Top 10.

1) Warrior's Gate

2) Genesis of the Daleks.

3 ...
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Blueshirt
2024-06-04 21:23:50 UTC
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Post by Adam H. Kerman
I obtained DVDs from the library, starting with one of my
favorite episodes, "The Sun Makers". This episode made quite
the impression on me as a child.
[Snip]
The Fourth Doctor just works best in social satire; Baker's
performance is a delight.
A good episode, but it wouldn't be in my 4th Doctor top ten!
Touch to say what is 4thDoctor Top 10.
1) Warrior's Gate
2) Genesis of the Daleks.
3 ...
I assume you meant 'tough to say'... and yes, it is.

But "Warriors Gate" wouldn't be in my top ten!

Off the top of my head...

City/Genesis/Pyramids/Talons/Fang/Assassin/Seeds/
Ark/Morbius/Face/Robots/Zygons (etc.)
The Last Doctor
2024-06-04 22:20:45 UTC
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Post by Adam H. Kerman
I obtained DVDs from the library, starting with one of my
favorite episodes, "The Sun Makers". This episode made quite
the impression on me as a child.
[Snip]
The Fourth Doctor just works best in social satire; Baker's
performance is a delight.
A good episode, but it wouldn't be in my 4th Doctor top ten!
Touch to say what is 4thDoctor Top 10.
1) Warrior's Gate
2) Genesis of the Daleks.
3 ...
I assume you meant 'tough to say'... and yes, it is.
But "Warriors Gate" wouldn't be in my top ten!
Off the top of my head...
City/Genesis/Pyramids/Talons/Fang/Assassin/Seeds/
Ark/Morbius/Face/Robots/Zygons (etc.)
1. Genesis of the Daleks.
2. City of Death.
3. Talons of Weng Chiang.
4. Pyramids of Mars.
5. City of Death.
6. Terror of the Zygons.
7. Horror of Fang Rock.
8. The Seeds of Doom.
9. The Brain of Morbius.
10. The Ribos Operation.

11. The Robots of Death.
12. The Ark in Space.
13. The Androids of Tara.
14. The Hand of Fear.
15. The Masque of Mandragora.
16. The Stones of Blood.
17. The Keeper of Traken.
18. The Deadly Assassin.
19. The Android Invasion.
20. The Sontaran Experiment.

21. Full Circle.
22. The Invasion of Time.
23. The Face of Evil.

After that we move into the mid and even lower reaches of the 4th Doctor
era.

Those could easily move about a bit on rewatching. But I’m pretty sure that
neither Warriors Gate nor The Sun Makers would ever break into my Top 20
Tom stories, let alone my Top 10.
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The Doctor
2024-06-04 22:31:55 UTC
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Post by Adam H. Kerman
I obtained DVDs from the library, starting with one of my
favorite episodes, "The Sun Makers". This episode made quite
the impression on me as a child.
[Snip]
The Fourth Doctor just works best in social satire; Baker's
performance is a delight.
A good episode, but it wouldn't be in my 4th Doctor top ten!
Touch to say what is 4thDoctor Top 10.
1) Warrior's Gate
2) Genesis of the Daleks.
3 ...
I assume you meant 'tough to say'... and yes, it is.
But "Warriors Gate" wouldn't be in my top ten!
Off the top of my head...
City/Genesis/Pyramids/Talons/Fang/Assassin/Seeds/
Ark/Morbius/Face/Robots/Zygons (etc.)
1. Genesis of the Daleks.
2. City of Death.
3. Talons of Weng Chiang.
4. Pyramids of Mars.
5. City of Death.
6. Terror of the Zygons.
7. Horror of Fang Rock.
8. The Seeds of Doom.
9. The Brain of Morbius.
10. The Ribos Operation.
11. The Robots of Death.
12. The Ark in Space.
13. The Androids of Tara.
14. The Hand of Fear.
15. The Masque of Mandragora.
16. The Stones of Blood.
17. The Keeper of Traken.
18. The Deadly Assassin.
19. The Android Invasion.
20. The Sontaran Experiment.
21. Full Circle.
22. The Invasion of Time.
23. The Face of Evil.
After that we move into the mid and even lower reaches of the 4th Doctor
era.
Those could easily move about a bit on rewatching. But I’m pretty sure that
neither Warriors Gate nor The Sun Makers would ever break into my Top 20
Tom stories, let alone my Top 10.
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The Last Doctor
2024-06-05 03:45:01 UTC
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I obtained DVDs from the library, starting with one of my
favorite episodes, "The Sun Makers". This episode made quite
the impression on me as a child.
[Snip]
The Fourth Doctor just works best in social satire; Baker's
performance is a delight.
A good episode, but it wouldn't be in my 4th Doctor top ten!
Touch to say what is 4thDoctor Top 10.
1) Warrior's Gate
2) Genesis of the Daleks.
3 ...
I assume you meant 'tough to say'... and yes, it is.
But "Warriors Gate" wouldn't be in my top ten!
Off the top of my head...
City/Genesis/Pyramids/Talons/Fang/Assassin/Seeds/
Ark/Morbius/Face/Robots/Zygons (etc.)
1. Genesis of the Daleks.
2. City of Death.
3. Talons of Weng Chiang.
4. Pyramids of Mars.
5. City of Death.
6. Terror of the Zygons.
7. Horror of Fang Rock.
8. The Seeds of Doom.
9. The Brain of Morbius.
10. The Ribos Operation.
11. The Robots of Death.
12. The Ark in Space.
13. The Androids of Tara.
14. The Hand of Fear.
15. The Masque of Mandragora.
16. The Stones of Blood.
17. The Keeper of Traken.
18. The Deadly Assassin.
19. The Android Invasion.
20. The Sontaran Experiment.
21. Full Circle.
22. The Invasion of Time.
23. The Face of Evil.
After that we move into the mid and even lower reaches of the 4th Doctor
era.
Those could easily move about a bit on rewatching. But I’m pretty sure that
neither Warriors Gate nor The Sun Makers would ever break into my Top 20
Tom stories, let alone my Top 10.
It seems I like City of Death so much it placed twice. Ah well, not going
to redo it - the principle stands. Probably easier to state the ten worst
Toms … I don’t think the two stories above would make that list either. So
they’re both mid twenties for me.
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2024-06-05 04:01:27 UTC
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I obtained DVDs from the library, starting with one of my
favorite episodes, "The Sun Makers". This episode made quite
the impression on me as a child.
[Snip]
The Fourth Doctor just works best in social satire; Baker's
performance is a delight.
A good episode, but it wouldn't be in my 4th Doctor top ten!
Touch to say what is 4thDoctor Top 10.
1) Warrior's Gate
2) Genesis of the Daleks.
3 ...
I assume you meant 'tough to say'... and yes, it is.
But "Warriors Gate" wouldn't be in my top ten!
Off the top of my head...
City/Genesis/Pyramids/Talons/Fang/Assassin/Seeds/
Ark/Morbius/Face/Robots/Zygons (etc.)
1. Genesis of the Daleks.
2. City of Death.
3. Talons of Weng Chiang.
4. Pyramids of Mars.
5. City of Death.
6. Terror of the Zygons.
7. Horror of Fang Rock.
8. The Seeds of Doom.
9. The Brain of Morbius.
10. The Ribos Operation.
11. The Robots of Death.
12. The Ark in Space.
13. The Androids of Tara.
14. The Hand of Fear.
15. The Masque of Mandragora.
16. The Stones of Blood.
17. The Keeper of Traken.
18. The Deadly Assassin.
19. The Android Invasion.
20. The Sontaran Experiment.
21. Full Circle.
22. The Invasion of Time.
23. The Face of Evil.
After that we move into the mid and even lower reaches of the 4th Doctor
era.
Those could easily move about a bit on rewatching. But I’m pretty sure that
neither Warriors Gate nor The Sun Makers would ever break into my Top 20
Tom stories, let alone my Top 10.
It seems I like City of Death so much it placed twice. Ah well, not going
to redo it - the principle stands. Probably easier to state the ten worst
Toms 
 I don’t think the two stories above would make that list either. So
they’re both mid twenties for me.
OOPS!
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I obtained DVDs from the library, starting with one of my
favorite episodes, "The Sun Makers". This episode made quite
the impression on me as a child.
[Snip]
The Fourth Doctor just works best in social satire; Baker's
performance is a delight.
A good episode, but it wouldn't be in my 4th Doctor top ten!
Touch to say what is 4thDoctor Top 10.
1) Warrior's Gate
2) Genesis of the Daleks.
3 ...
I assume you meant 'tough to say'... and yes, it is.
But "Warriors Gate" wouldn't be in my top ten!
Off the top of my head...
City/Genesis/Pyramids/Talons/Fang/Assassin/Seeds/
Ark/Morbius/Face/Robots/Zygons (etc.)
1. Genesis of the Daleks.
2. City of Death.
3. Talons of Weng Chiang.
4. Pyramids of Mars.
5. City of Death.
6. Terror of the Zygons.
7. Horror of Fang Rock.
8. The Seeds of Doom.
9. The Brain of Morbius.
10. The Ribos Operation.
11. The Robots of Death.
12. The Ark in Space.
13. The Androids of Tara.
14. The Hand of Fear.
15. The Masque of Mandragora.
16. The Stones of Blood.
17. The Keeper of Traken.
18. The Deadly Assassin.
19. The Android Invasion.
20. The Sontaran Experiment.
21. Full Circle.
22. The Invasion of Time.
23. The Face of Evil.
After that we move into the mid and even lower reaches of the 4th Doctor
era.
Those could easily move about a bit on rewatching. But I’m pretty sure that
neither Warriors Gate nor The Sun Makers would ever break into my Top 20
Tom stories, let alone my Top 10.
It seems I like City of Death so much it placed twice. Ah well, not going
to redo it - the principle stands. Probably easier to state the ten worst
Toms … I don’t think the two stories above would make that list either. So
they’re both mid twenties for me.
OOPS!
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lol
Adam H. Kerman
2024-06-05 04:21:38 UTC
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It seems I like City of Death so much it placed twice. Ah well, not going
to redo it - the principle stands. Probably easier to state the ten worst
Toms' I don't think the two stories above would make that list either. So
they're both mid twenties for me.
One of the themes used in "Shada", as completed in 2017, is reminiscent
of Dudley Simpson's "ambulatory" theme in "City of Death".
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2024-06-05 06:55:58 UTC
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It seems I like City of Death so much it placed twice. Ah well, not going
to redo it - the principle stands. Probably easier to state the ten worst
Toms' I don't think the two stories above would make that list either. So
they're both mid twenties for me.
One of the themes used in "Shada", as completed in 2017, is reminiscent
of Dudley Simpson's "ambulatory" theme in "City of Death".
If only Shada would have been complete.
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It seems I like City of Death so much it placed twice. Ah well, not going
to redo it - the principle stands. Probably easier to state the ten worst
Toms' I don't think the two stories above would make that list either. So
they're both mid twenties for me.
One of the themes used in "Shada", as completed in 2017, is reminiscent
of Dudley Simpson's "ambulatory" theme in "City of Death".
If only Shada would have been complete.
lol
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It seems I like City of Death so much it placed twice. Ah well, not going
to redo it - the principle stands. Probably easier to state the ten worst
Toms' I don't think the two stories above would make that list either. So
they're both mid twenties for me.
One of the themes used in "Shada", as completed in 2017, is reminiscent
of Dudley Simpson's "ambulatory" theme in "City of Death".
hi gerk
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It seems I like City of Death so much it placed twice. Ah well, not going
to redo it - the principle stands. Probably easier to state the ten worst
Toms' I don't think the two stories above would make that list either. So
they're both mid twenties for me.
One of the themes used in "Shada", as completed in 2017, is reminiscent
of Dudley Simpson's "ambulatory" theme in "City of Death".
hi gerk
He does get around.
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It seems I like City of Death so much it placed twice. Ah well, not going
to redo it - the principle stands. Probably easier to state the ten worst
Toms' I don't think the two stories above would make that list either. So
they're both mid twenties for me.
One of the themes used in "Shada", as completed in 2017, is reminiscent
of Dudley Simpson's "ambulatory" theme in "City of Death".
hi gerk
He does get around.
lol

Daniel70
2024-06-05 05:45:46 UTC
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I obtained DVDs from the library, starting with one of my
favorite episodes, "The Sun Makers". This episode made
quite the impression on me as a child.
[Snip]
The Fourth Doctor just works best in social satire;
Baker's performance is a delight.
A good episode, but it wouldn't be in my 4th Doctor top ten!
Touch to say what is 4thDoctor Top 10.
1) Warrior's Gate
2) Genesis of the Daleks.
3 ...
I assume you meant 'tough to say'... and yes, it is.
But "Warriors Gate" wouldn't be in my top ten!
Off the top of my head...
City/Genesis/Pyramids/Talons/Fang/Assassin/Seeds/
Ark/Morbius/Face/Robots/Zygons (etc.)
1. Genesis of the Daleks. 2. City of Death. 3. Talons of Weng
Chiang. 4. Pyramids of Mars. 5. City of Death. 6. Terror of the
Zygons. 7. Horror of Fang Rock. 8. The Seeds of Doom. 9. The Brain
of Morbius. 10. The Ribos Operation.
11. The Robots of Death. 12. The Ark in Space. 13. The Androids of
Tara. 14. The Hand of Fear. 15. The Masque of Mandragora. 16. The
Stones of Blood. 17. The Keeper of Traken. 18. The Deadly
Assassin. 19. The Android Invasion. 20. The Sontaran Experiment.
21. Full Circle. 22. The Invasion of Time. 23. The Face of Evil.
After that we move into the mid and even lower reaches of the 4th
Doctor era.
Those could easily move about a bit on rewatching. But I’m pretty
sure that neither Warriors Gate nor The Sun Makers would ever break
into my Top 20 Tom stories, let alone my Top 10.
It seems I like City of Death so much it placed twice. Ah well, not
going to redo it - the principle stands. Probably easier to state the
ten worst Toms … I don’t think the two stories above would make that
list either. So they’re both mid twenties for me.
Yes, it seems you liked lot a lot, but at least you re-ranked them close
together ..... it would have been really embarrassing for you if you'd
ranked them 3rd and 25th or some such!! ;-P
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2024-06-05 06:56:39 UTC
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I obtained DVDs from the library, starting with one of my
favorite episodes, "The Sun Makers". This episode made
quite the impression on me as a child.
[Snip]
The Fourth Doctor just works best in social satire;
Baker's performance is a delight.
A good episode, but it wouldn't be in my 4th Doctor top ten!
Touch to say what is 4thDoctor Top 10.
1) Warrior's Gate
2) Genesis of the Daleks.
3 ...
I assume you meant 'tough to say'... and yes, it is.
But "Warriors Gate" wouldn't be in my top ten!
Off the top of my head...
City/Genesis/Pyramids/Talons/Fang/Assassin/Seeds/
Ark/Morbius/Face/Robots/Zygons (etc.)
1. Genesis of the Daleks. 2. City of Death. 3. Talons of Weng
Chiang. 4. Pyramids of Mars. 5. City of Death. 6. Terror of the
Zygons. 7. Horror of Fang Rock. 8. The Seeds of Doom. 9. The Brain
of Morbius. 10. The Ribos Operation.
11. The Robots of Death. 12. The Ark in Space. 13. The Androids of
Tara. 14. The Hand of Fear. 15. The Masque of Mandragora. 16. The
Stones of Blood. 17. The Keeper of Traken. 18. The Deadly
Assassin. 19. The Android Invasion. 20. The Sontaran Experiment.
21. Full Circle. 22. The Invasion of Time. 23. The Face of Evil.
After that we move into the mid and even lower reaches of the 4th
Doctor era.
Those could easily move about a bit on rewatching. But I’m pretty
sure that neither Warriors Gate nor The Sun Makers would ever break
into my Top 20 Tom stories, let alone my Top 10.
It seems I like City of Death so much it placed twice. Ah well, not
going to redo it - the principle stands. Probably easier to state the
ten worst Toms 
 I don’t think the two stories above would make that
list either. So they’re both mid twenties for me.
Yes, it seems you liked lot a lot, but at least you re-ranked them close
together ..... it would have been really embarrassing for you if you'd
ranked them 3rd and 25th or some such!! ;-P
--
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Whoops!
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I obtained DVDs from the library, starting with one of my
favorite episodes, "The Sun Makers". This episode made
quite the impression on me as a child.
[Snip]
The Fourth Doctor just works best in social satire;
Baker's performance is a delight.
A good episode, but it wouldn't be in my 4th Doctor top ten!
Touch to say what is 4thDoctor Top 10.
1) Warrior's Gate
2) Genesis of the Daleks.
3 ...
I assume you meant 'tough to say'... and yes, it is.
But "Warriors Gate" wouldn't be in my top ten!
Off the top of my head...
City/Genesis/Pyramids/Talons/Fang/Assassin/Seeds/
Ark/Morbius/Face/Robots/Zygons (etc.)
1. Genesis of the Daleks. 2. City of Death. 3. Talons of Weng
Chiang. 4. Pyramids of Mars. 5. City of Death. 6. Terror of the
Zygons. 7. Horror of Fang Rock. 8. The Seeds of Doom. 9. The Brain
of Morbius. 10. The Ribos Operation.
11. The Robots of Death. 12. The Ark in Space. 13. The Androids of
Tara. 14. The Hand of Fear. 15. The Masque of Mandragora. 16. The
Stones of Blood. 17. The Keeper of Traken. 18. The Deadly
Assassin. 19. The Android Invasion. 20. The Sontaran Experiment.
21. Full Circle. 22. The Invasion of Time. 23. The Face of Evil.
After that we move into the mid and even lower reaches of the 4th
Doctor era.
Those could easily move about a bit on rewatching. But I’m pretty
sure that neither Warriors Gate nor The Sun Makers would ever break
into my Top 20 Tom stories, let alone my Top 10.
It seems I like City of Death so much it placed twice. Ah well, not
going to redo it - the principle stands. Probably easier to state the
ten worst Toms … I don’t think the two stories above would make that
list either. So they’re both mid twenties for me.
Yes, it seems you liked lot a lot, but at least you re-ranked them close
together ..... it would have been really embarrassing for you if you'd
ranked them 3rd and 25th or some such!! ;-P
--
Daniel
Whoops!
lol
The Doctor
2024-06-04 22:31:17 UTC
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I obtained DVDs from the library, starting with one of my
favorite episodes, "The Sun Makers". This episode made quite
the impression on me as a child.
[Snip]
The Fourth Doctor just works best in social satire; Baker's
performance is a delight.
A good episode, but it wouldn't be in my 4th Doctor top ten!
Touch to say what is 4thDoctor Top 10.
1) Warrior's Gate
2) Genesis of the Daleks.
3 ...
I assume you meant 'tough to say'... and yes, it is.
But "Warriors Gate" wouldn't be in my top ten!
Off the top of my head...
City/Genesis/Pyramids/Talons/Fang/Assassin/Seeds/
Ark/Morbius/Face/Robots/Zygons (etc.)
City of Death number 3 for me.
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2024-06-05 13:42:54 UTC
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Touch to say what is 4thDoctor Top 10.
1) Warrior's Gate
2) Genesis of the Daleks.
3 ...
I assume you meant 'tough to say'... and yes, it is.
But "Warriors Gate" wouldn't be in my top ten!
Off the top of my head...
City/Genesis/Pyramids/Talons/Fang/Assassin/Seeds/
Ark/Morbius/Face/Robots/Zygons (etc.)
City of Death number 3 for me.
They wasn't necessarily all in order... bar the order that I
thought of them in to back up my point. Which is why I didn't
number them... plus there was twelve stories there as I'd hate
to have to whittle it down to ten for a list!
The Doctor
2024-06-05 13:52:55 UTC
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Touch to say what is 4thDoctor Top 10.
1) Warrior's Gate
2) Genesis of the Daleks.
3 ...
I assume you meant 'tough to say'... and yes, it is.
But "Warriors Gate" wouldn't be in my top ten!
Off the top of my head...
City/Genesis/Pyramids/Talons/Fang/Assassin/Seeds/
Ark/Morbius/Face/Robots/Zygons (etc.)
City of Death number 3 for me.
They wasn't necessarily all in order... bar the order that I
thought of them in to back up my point. Which is why I didn't
number them... plus there was twelve stories there as I'd hate
to have to whittle it down to ten for a list!
WEll that is up to you.
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Touch to say what is 4thDoctor Top 10.
1) Warrior's Gate
2) Genesis of the Daleks.
3 ...
I assume you meant 'tough to say'... and yes, it is.
But "Warriors Gate" wouldn't be in my top ten!
Off the top of my head...
City/Genesis/Pyramids/Talons/Fang/Assassin/Seeds/
Ark/Morbius/Face/Robots/Zygons (etc.)
City of Death number 3 for me.
They wasn't necessarily all in order... bar the order that I
thought of them in to back up my point. Which is why I didn't
number them... plus there was twelve stories there as I'd hate
to have to whittle it down to ten for a list!
WEll that is up to you.
lol
The Doctor
2024-06-04 20:59:33 UTC
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I don't subscribe to any streaming services and haven't seen Doctor Who
since Disney+ took over distribution. I may not be missing much, I know.
I obtained DVDs from the library, starting with one of my favorite
episodes, "The Sun Makers". This episode made quite the impression on
me as a child. It's farewell to Leela's original costume, the leather
leotard. (The transition to the leather dress costume is in "Image of the
Fendahl", later in production but broadcast first. The dress is lighter
in color.) Louise Jameson was sexy as hell in the original costume --
all leg -- and the costumer was told to make her look even sexier in the
replacement costume. Which do you prefer?
I've mentioned before that she corrupted my childhood, yes?
Everything is right with this episode. A pissed off writer was dealing
with Inland Revenue. He was highly motivated to make the corrosive
effects of taxation a main part of the plot, and there are pointed
references to Inland Revenue throughout the episode. Because Tom Baker
and Louise Jameson were not getting along, they don't share too many
scenes. Leela gets to lead plenty of the action and makes several
rousing speeches. The actress has said this was her best episode, and I
think you might agree.
The Fourth Doctor just works best in social satire; Baker's performance
is a delight.
The decision has been made to keep K9 as a companion; the prop was
originally intended to be used for "The Invisible Enemy" only; K9 is
broken in "Image of the Fendahl" and has no lines. John Leeson is back
in the voice cast. There's nothing wrong with David Brierly's
performance in the 17th season; I just expect him to sound like Leeson.
The main enemy, the Collector, is a Usurian, which is hysterical. Good
performance by Henry Woolf. Even more memorable are the henchmen Hade
(Richard Leech) and Marn (Jonina Scott), and the way the obsequious Hade
addresses the Collector.
Some of the supporting characters are fully drawn and used effectively,
especially Cordo (Roy Macready). It's an early role for Michael Keating,
who was cast as Vila in Blake's 7 due to his performance in this
episode.
Yeah, too much action takes place in very long corridors lacking set
decoration, but we will forgive that.
What did you like about DW 1980-1990,1996, and 2025 to 2017?
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2024-06-05 01:24:18 UTC
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I don't subscribe to any streaming services and haven't seen Doctor Who
since Disney+ took over distribution. I may not be missing much, I know.
I didn't post this. Ubi the shithead forged me then reposted my article
crossposted. Generally I don't crosspost.
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2024-06-05 01:47:29 UTC
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Post by Adam H. Kerman
I don't subscribe to any streaming services and haven't seen Doctor Who
since Disney+ took over distribution. I may not be missing much, I know.
I didn't post this. Ubi the shithead forged me then reposted my article
crossposted. Generally I don't crosspost.
well you should it's a hoot
The Doctor
2024-06-05 03:59:55 UTC
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I don't subscribe to any streaming services and haven't seen Doctor Who
since Disney+ took over distribution. I may not be missing much, I know.
I didn't post this. Ubi the shithead forged me then reposted my article
crossposted. Generally I don't crosspost.
well you should it's a hoot
Encouragement!
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2024-06-05 21:24:04 UTC
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I don't subscribe to any streaming services and haven't seen Doctor Who
since Disney+ took over distribution. I may not be missing much, I know.
I didn't post this. Ubi the shithead forged me then reposted my article
crossposted. Generally I don't crosspost.
well you should it's a hoot
Encouragement!
lol
The Doctor
2024-06-05 03:59:36 UTC
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Post by Adam H. Kerman
I don't subscribe to any streaming services and haven't seen Doctor Who
since Disney+ took over distribution. I may not be missing much, I know.
I didn't post this. Ubi the shithead forged me then reposted my article
crossposted. Generally I don't crosspost.
You mean you have a faker/faqir to deal with?
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2024-06-05 18:22:00 UTC
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I don't subscribe to any streaming services and haven't seen Doctor Who
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I didn't post this. Ubi the shithead forged me then reposted my article
crossposted. Generally I don't crosspost.
TROLL-O-METER

5* 6* *7
4* *8
3* *9
2* *10
1* | *stuporous
0* -*- *catatonic
* |\ *comatose
* \ *clinical death
* \ *biological death
* _\/ *demonic apparition
* * *damned for all eternity
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