Joe Bernstein
2018-11-30 04:14:05 UTC
Hello rec.arts.sf.tv:
People who've already read my posts on this topic in rasf.written,
hello again. People who haven't, hi. This post is my first in the
correct newsgroup on something I've been researching for years.
Since 2012, South Korean TV has included an astonishing boom of live
action speculative shows. I've planned a series of posts to this
newsgroup about South Korean speculative shows also since 2012, but
various problems and plenty of pie-in-the-sky ambition have delayed
it endlessly. Now I think I've ethically failed in this regard,
because one of the main websites through which English-speakers could
watch these shows shut down in October. It's not that my advocacy
would've driven enough traffic to them to reverse that decision,
which was mainly about business strategy on the part of a new owner
anyway. Rather, I didn't give y'all the information I had, which
might have encouraged you to watch some shows that have now become
inaccessible, for an unknown length of time, some perhaps permanently,
to some law-abiding viewers.
So this is a quick and dirty introduction to South Korean live action
speculative TV that's legally available *right now*, or has *recently*
been available, for watching online *with English subtitles*. All
fictional live action South Korean TV is normally called in English
"K-drama", so going forward, "speculative K-dramas". I've pulled
this set of posts together in a few weeks, working from the scraps of
previous efforts that have survived various disasters, from the
methods I learnt in those efforts, but not now seeking perfection.
(Disclaimer: I know very little about South Korean animated TV shows,
and didn't even know until working on this set of posts that any were
available in English, whether subtitled or dubbed. They seem to have
been booming too, so if nobody else steps forward by the time I feel
foolishly confident enough, I may try to say something. North Korean
TV is not researchable outside Korea and without knowing Korean -
I've tried, and think it includes speculative shows both live action
and animated, but don't have good evidence even for that much. So
henceforth South Korean and live action, thus K-dramas.)
By tomorrow's end I'll have watched ninety K-dramas, of which fifty-
six are longer than three hours, thirty-four shorter. This is fewer
than have been made in any year in this century so far. Worse,
although most of the short dramas I've watched are speculative, most
of the longer ones aren't. So why do I think I can write about
speculative K-dramas? Because I've been researching the topic for so
long. Much of my work has been lost in a laptop theft and other
vicissitudes, but enough remains that I've been able to throw this
set of posts together; and anyway, it's not as though anyone else has
been telling y'all about these shows, and in the land of the blind,
the one-eyed TV viewer is king.
The following general pronouncement may not hold once I've watched
more speculative K-dramas, but I suspect it will: Few K-dramas have
stretched the boundaries of speculation for me, have done genuinely
unexpected genre things. (In fact only one I've watched so far. [1])
Also, *no* K-drama I've watched has really excelled in special
effects, has gotten my Western-trained eyes to say "Wow!" Finally,
speculative K-drama has a strongly mundane tilt: I know of no
1) secondary-world K-drama (there may have been one in 2015, but
if so, it's untranslated and only two hours long);
2) K-drama set in space, let alone featuring battles there (one
without battles, <City of Stars>, a director's passion project,
has gone nowhere for years);
3) or genuinely surreal K-drama (I've watched a short one that
takes baby steps that way and list it in this thread, but have
heard of none that go farther).
K-dramas' appeal is largely in making older story ideas (especially
from screwball comedy and the melodrama tradition) look realistic, so
this avoidance of the most blatant forms of speculation makes sense,
but still offers less to the interested viewer. Still, the flipside
is that it can also apply that realism to superpowers and monsters.
So I'm not saying you should rush out and watch all these shows
tomorrow. Rather, I'm saying that *if* you decide you're interested
in K-dramas - out of curiosity, or because Koreans of an appropriate
gender attract you, or because someone who matters to you (maybe
yourself) *is* Korean, or because you're some sort of completist, or
because you like K-dramas' conservative style [2] - you may want
information about which ones are speculative, and that's what I'm
offering. More to the point, speculative K-dramas are on-topic here,
and it's about time something was said about them here. Some, even
without being great works of speculation, are good to great works of
art and/or entertainment, worth experiencing.
You may object: "Why K-dramas? Why not dramas from China, Japan,
Taiwan, the Philippines, Vietnam, Thailand, Turkey, Egypt, ...? Do
no other TV industries do more or better speculation than South
Korea's?" 1) Chinese TV, at least, does; an enormous Chinese genre
across many media, called wuxia, is by default fantasy, and I've seen
and loved one example. But 2) I couldn't research it, beyond the
minimal information available in English. No language is easy to
learn, but some scripts are easier than others, and Hangul (the usual
Korean script) is *much* easier than Chinese or Japanese, or for that
matter Thai or Arabic. Finally, 3) K-dramas *work* for me; I've
loved many, I can research them and enjoy doing so, hence for example
these posts. Japanese dramas may have a more interesting tradition
of speculation, and someone who knows them, and maybe knows Japanese,
should write about that; someone who knows Chinese, about TV wuxia;
and so forth, but none of that means I shouldn't write about
speculative K-dramas.
I plan twelve notional posts in this thread, one per weekday,
starting with this preface. Most cover the shows available *at one
or more law-abiding streaming website(s)*. The posts still to come:
11/30 Introduction
12/03 Miscellaneous West-focused sites (Tubi, Amazon Prime, Hulu, and
others)
12/04 Netflix (as seen from the US)
12/05 YouTube (restricted to shows uploaded lawfully or nearly so [3];
as seen from the US and the UK)
12/06 Miscellaneous East-focused sites (AsianCrush, Naver, and others)
12/07 OnDemandKorea (Americas only)
12/10 KoCoWa (as seen from the US; may be Americas only, or worldwide)
12/11 Viu (as seen from Singapore)
12/12 DramaFever (as formerly seen from the US)
12/13 Viki (as seen from the US, the UK, Australia and Singapore)
12/14 Beyond law-abiding subtitled streaming sites
To make the posts less intimidatingly long, I expect to split most,
but still post all parts on the same day.
Joe Bernstein
[1] The show that pushed the boundaries of speculation for me has not,
to my knowledge, been Englished, which is why I'm vague about it here.
I'll identify it properly, and point to places to watch it, in the
last post listed above.
[2] What I mean by saying K-dramas have a conservative style is
partly addressed in the next post, the introduction.
[3] "Nearly" lawful uploads to YouTube are explained in the relevant
post, but you'll also need to have read the next post.
People who've already read my posts on this topic in rasf.written,
hello again. People who haven't, hi. This post is my first in the
correct newsgroup on something I've been researching for years.
Since 2012, South Korean TV has included an astonishing boom of live
action speculative shows. I've planned a series of posts to this
newsgroup about South Korean speculative shows also since 2012, but
various problems and plenty of pie-in-the-sky ambition have delayed
it endlessly. Now I think I've ethically failed in this regard,
because one of the main websites through which English-speakers could
watch these shows shut down in October. It's not that my advocacy
would've driven enough traffic to them to reverse that decision,
which was mainly about business strategy on the part of a new owner
anyway. Rather, I didn't give y'all the information I had, which
might have encouraged you to watch some shows that have now become
inaccessible, for an unknown length of time, some perhaps permanently,
to some law-abiding viewers.
So this is a quick and dirty introduction to South Korean live action
speculative TV that's legally available *right now*, or has *recently*
been available, for watching online *with English subtitles*. All
fictional live action South Korean TV is normally called in English
"K-drama", so going forward, "speculative K-dramas". I've pulled
this set of posts together in a few weeks, working from the scraps of
previous efforts that have survived various disasters, from the
methods I learnt in those efforts, but not now seeking perfection.
(Disclaimer: I know very little about South Korean animated TV shows,
and didn't even know until working on this set of posts that any were
available in English, whether subtitled or dubbed. They seem to have
been booming too, so if nobody else steps forward by the time I feel
foolishly confident enough, I may try to say something. North Korean
TV is not researchable outside Korea and without knowing Korean -
I've tried, and think it includes speculative shows both live action
and animated, but don't have good evidence even for that much. So
henceforth South Korean and live action, thus K-dramas.)
By tomorrow's end I'll have watched ninety K-dramas, of which fifty-
six are longer than three hours, thirty-four shorter. This is fewer
than have been made in any year in this century so far. Worse,
although most of the short dramas I've watched are speculative, most
of the longer ones aren't. So why do I think I can write about
speculative K-dramas? Because I've been researching the topic for so
long. Much of my work has been lost in a laptop theft and other
vicissitudes, but enough remains that I've been able to throw this
set of posts together; and anyway, it's not as though anyone else has
been telling y'all about these shows, and in the land of the blind,
the one-eyed TV viewer is king.
The following general pronouncement may not hold once I've watched
more speculative K-dramas, but I suspect it will: Few K-dramas have
stretched the boundaries of speculation for me, have done genuinely
unexpected genre things. (In fact only one I've watched so far. [1])
Also, *no* K-drama I've watched has really excelled in special
effects, has gotten my Western-trained eyes to say "Wow!" Finally,
speculative K-drama has a strongly mundane tilt: I know of no
1) secondary-world K-drama (there may have been one in 2015, but
if so, it's untranslated and only two hours long);
2) K-drama set in space, let alone featuring battles there (one
without battles, <City of Stars>, a director's passion project,
has gone nowhere for years);
3) or genuinely surreal K-drama (I've watched a short one that
takes baby steps that way and list it in this thread, but have
heard of none that go farther).
K-dramas' appeal is largely in making older story ideas (especially
from screwball comedy and the melodrama tradition) look realistic, so
this avoidance of the most blatant forms of speculation makes sense,
but still offers less to the interested viewer. Still, the flipside
is that it can also apply that realism to superpowers and monsters.
So I'm not saying you should rush out and watch all these shows
tomorrow. Rather, I'm saying that *if* you decide you're interested
in K-dramas - out of curiosity, or because Koreans of an appropriate
gender attract you, or because someone who matters to you (maybe
yourself) *is* Korean, or because you're some sort of completist, or
because you like K-dramas' conservative style [2] - you may want
information about which ones are speculative, and that's what I'm
offering. More to the point, speculative K-dramas are on-topic here,
and it's about time something was said about them here. Some, even
without being great works of speculation, are good to great works of
art and/or entertainment, worth experiencing.
You may object: "Why K-dramas? Why not dramas from China, Japan,
Taiwan, the Philippines, Vietnam, Thailand, Turkey, Egypt, ...? Do
no other TV industries do more or better speculation than South
Korea's?" 1) Chinese TV, at least, does; an enormous Chinese genre
across many media, called wuxia, is by default fantasy, and I've seen
and loved one example. But 2) I couldn't research it, beyond the
minimal information available in English. No language is easy to
learn, but some scripts are easier than others, and Hangul (the usual
Korean script) is *much* easier than Chinese or Japanese, or for that
matter Thai or Arabic. Finally, 3) K-dramas *work* for me; I've
loved many, I can research them and enjoy doing so, hence for example
these posts. Japanese dramas may have a more interesting tradition
of speculation, and someone who knows them, and maybe knows Japanese,
should write about that; someone who knows Chinese, about TV wuxia;
and so forth, but none of that means I shouldn't write about
speculative K-dramas.
I plan twelve notional posts in this thread, one per weekday,
starting with this preface. Most cover the shows available *at one
or more law-abiding streaming website(s)*. The posts still to come:
11/30 Introduction
12/03 Miscellaneous West-focused sites (Tubi, Amazon Prime, Hulu, and
others)
12/04 Netflix (as seen from the US)
12/05 YouTube (restricted to shows uploaded lawfully or nearly so [3];
as seen from the US and the UK)
12/06 Miscellaneous East-focused sites (AsianCrush, Naver, and others)
12/07 OnDemandKorea (Americas only)
12/10 KoCoWa (as seen from the US; may be Americas only, or worldwide)
12/11 Viu (as seen from Singapore)
12/12 DramaFever (as formerly seen from the US)
12/13 Viki (as seen from the US, the UK, Australia and Singapore)
12/14 Beyond law-abiding subtitled streaming sites
To make the posts less intimidatingly long, I expect to split most,
but still post all parts on the same day.
Joe Bernstein
[1] The show that pushed the boundaries of speculation for me has not,
to my knowledge, been Englished, which is why I'm vague about it here.
I'll identify it properly, and point to places to watch it, in the
last post listed above.
[2] What I mean by saying K-dramas have a conservative style is
partly addressed in the next post, the introduction.
[3] "Nearly" lawful uploads to YouTube are explained in the relevant
post, but you'll also need to have read the next post.
--
Joe Bernstein <***@gmail.com>
Joe Bernstein <***@gmail.com>