[OT] DVD is Dead. Long Live DVD.

[Blueshirt]

"Tech's takeover of show business has turned everything into
streaming."

This is the landscape in which the sad state of home video
continued deteriorating in 2024. Best Buy ceased carrying DVDs
this year. Target followed suit. Redbox rented its final Liam
Neeson movie and shuttered its kiosks in July. Finally, LG
announced just last week that it would discontinue all its UHD
Blu-ray and Blu-ray players, joining Samsung and Sony in
ditching the optical drive.


https://www.avclub.com/death-of-dvd-death-of-streaming-physical-media


I copied this from another newsgroup as some here might find the
article of interest.

[Daniel70]

Post by Blueshirt
"Tech's takeover of show business has turned everything into
streaming."
This is the landscape in which the sad state of home video
continued deteriorating in 2024. Best Buy ceased carrying DVDs
this year. Target followed suit. Redbox rented its final Liam
Neeson movie and shuttered its kiosks in July. Finally, LG
announced just last week that it would discontinue all its UHD
Blu-ray and Blu-ray players, joining Samsung and Sony in
ditching the optical drive.
https://www.avclub.com/death-of-dvd-death-of-streaming-physical-media
I copied this from another newsgroup as some here might find the
article of interest.

Strokes me in Discs, Blu-ray might have been to DVD the same as Beta was
to VHS in tapes!!

[Daniel70]

Post by Daniel70

Post by Blueshirt
"Tech's takeover of show business has turned everything into
streaming."
This is the landscape in which the sad state of home video
continued deteriorating in 2024. Best Buy ceased carrying DVDs
this year. Target followed suit. Redbox rented its final Liam
Neeson movie and shuttered its kiosks in July. Finally, LG
announced just last week that it would discontinue all its UHD
Blu-ray and Blu-ray players, joining Samsung and Sony in
ditching the optical drive.
https://www.avclub.com/death-of-dvd-death-of-streaming-physical-media
I copied this from another newsgroup as some here might find the
article of interest.

Strokes me in Discs, Blu-ray might have been to DVD the same as Beta was
to VHS in tapes!!

S/Strokes/Strikes!! Did I mention the lettering on this keyboard is
stuffed .... and 'o' and 'i' are next to each other AND are the most
fadded!! ;-P

[The Doctor]

Post by Daniel70

Post by Daniel70

Post by Blueshirt
"Tech's takeover of show business has turned everything into
streaming."
This is the landscape in which the sad state of home video
continued deteriorating in 2024. Best Buy ceased carrying DVDs
this year. Target followed suit. Redbox rented its final Liam
Neeson movie and shuttered its kiosks in July. Finally, LG
announced just last week that it would discontinue all its UHD
Blu-ray and Blu-ray players, joining Samsung and Sony in
ditching the optical drive.
https://www.avclub.com/death-of-dvd-death-of-streaming-physical-media
I copied this from another newsgroup as some here might find the
article of interest.

Strokes me in Discs, Blu-ray might have been to DVD the same as Beta was
to VHS in tapes!!

S/Strokes/Strikes!! Did I mention the lettering on this keyboard is
stuffed .... and 'o' and 'i' are next to each other AND are the most
fadded!! ;-P
--
Daniel

Ha! Ha!

[Hornplayer9599]

Post by Daniel70

Post by Blueshirt
"Tech's takeover of show business has turned everything into
streaming."
This is the landscape in which the sad state of home video
continued deteriorating in 2024. Best Buy ceased carrying DVDs
this year. Target followed suit. Redbox rented its final Liam
Neeson movie and shuttered its kiosks in July. Finally, LG
announced just last week that it would discontinue all its UHD
Blu-ray and Blu-ray players, joining Samsung and Sony in
ditching the optical drive.
https://www.avclub.com/death-of-dvd-death-of-streaming-physical-media
I copied this from another newsgroup as some here might find the
article of interest.

Strokes me in Discs, Blu-ray might have been to DVD the same as Beta was
to VHS in tapes!!

Beta was the better product compared to VHS. What killed Beta was that
it was proprietary to Sony, and they wouldn't allow 3rd party
manufacturers to build them. VHS was "open source", and that allowed
those to be mass produced at a much lower cost. Blu-ray (and HD-DVD)
was just the natural evolution from DVDs once HD video was possible.

[Jerry Brown]

On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 08:58:10 -0600, Hornplayer9599
<***@aol.com> wrote:

<snip>

Post by Hornplayer9599
Beta was the better product compared to VHS. What killed Beta was that
it was proprietary to Sony, and they wouldn't allow 3rd party
manufacturers to build them. VHS was "open source", and that allowed
those to be mass produced at a much lower cost. Blu-ray (and HD-DVD)
was just the natural evolution from DVDs once HD video was possible.

When my family got its first recorder back in the early eighties I
pushed for VHS because the media was longer and cheaper than Beta.
This was UK so might have been different elsewhere in the world

[Your Name]

Post by Jerry Brown
On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 08:58:10 -0600, Hornplayer9599
<snip>

Post by Hornplayer9599
Beta was the better product compared to VHS. What killed Beta was that
it was proprietary to Sony, and they wouldn't allow 3rd party
manufacturers to build them. VHS was "open source", and that allowed
those to be mass produced at a much lower cost. Blu-ray (and HD-DVD)
was just the natural evolution from DVDs once HD video was possible.

When my family got its first recorder back in the early eighties I
pushed for VHS because the media was longer and cheaper than Beta.
This was UK so might have been different elsewhere in the world

That's exactly why VHS won the "format wars" for home use.

Beta was better quality, so continued to be used in video production
workplaces such as TV studios where they could afford the higher prices.

[Your Name]

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Post by Jerry Brown
On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 08:58:10 -0600, Hornplayer9599
<snip>

Post by Hornplayer9599
Beta was the better product compared to VHS. What killed Beta was that
it was proprietary to Sony, and they wouldn't allow 3rd party
manufacturers to build them. VHS was "open source", and that allowed
those to be mass produced at a much lower cost. Blu-ray (and HD-DVD)
was just the natural evolution from DVDs once HD video was possible.

When my family got its first recorder back in the early eighties I
pushed for VHS because the media was longer and cheaper than Beta.
This was UK so might have been different elsewhere in the world

That's exactly why VHS won the "format wars" for home use.
Beta was better quality, so continued to be used in video production
workplaces such as TV studios where they could afford the higher prices.

It was also similar with computers. Microsloth Windoze won simply
because it was cheaper than the much better Mac. The business bean
counters apparently didn't care that Windowze looked awful, didn't work
properly, was more difficult to use, required far more maintenance and
user support, and didn't last as long. :-\

[The Doctor]

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Post by Jerry Brown
On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 08:58:10 -0600, Hornplayer9599
<snip>

Post by Hornplayer9599
Beta was the better product compared to VHS. What killed Beta was that
it was proprietary to Sony, and they wouldn't allow 3rd party
manufacturers to build them. VHS was "open source", and that allowed
those to be mass produced at a much lower cost. Blu-ray (and HD-DVD)
was just the natural evolution from DVDs once HD video was possible.

When my family got its first recorder back in the early eighties I
pushed for VHS because the media was longer and cheaper than Beta.
This was UK so might have been different elsewhere in the world

That's exactly why VHS won the "format wars" for home use.
Beta was better quality, so continued to be used in video production
workplaces such as TV studios where they could afford the higher prices.

It was also similar with computers. Microsloth Windoze won simply
because it was cheaper than the much better Mac. The business bean
counters apparently didn't care that Windowze looked awful, didn't work
properly, was more difficult to use, required far more maintenance and
user support, and didn't last as long. :-\

No. microsuck just bullied their way up.

check Out Pirates of Silicon Valley.

[The Doctor]

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Post by Jerry Brown
On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 08:58:10 -0600, Hornplayer9599
<snip>

Post by Hornplayer9599
Beta was the better product compared to VHS. What killed Beta was that
it was proprietary to Sony, and they wouldn't allow 3rd party
manufacturers to build them. VHS was "open source", and that allowed
those to be mass produced at a much lower cost. Blu-ray (and HD-DVD)
was just the natural evolution from DVDs once HD video was possible.

When my family got its first recorder back in the early eighties I
pushed for VHS because the media was longer and cheaper than Beta.
This was UK so might have been different elsewhere in the world

That's exactly why VHS won the "format wars" for home use.
Beta was better quality, so continued to be used in video production
workplaces such as TV studios where they could afford the higher prices.

Price rules!

[Your Name]

Post by Hornplayer9599

Post by Daniel70

Post by Blueshirt
"Tech's takeover of show business has turned everything into
streaming."
This is the landscape in which the sad state of home video
continued deteriorating in 2024. Best Buy ceased carrying DVDs
this year. Target followed suit. Redbox rented its final Liam
Neeson movie and shuttered its kiosks in July. Finally, LG
announced just last week that it would discontinue all its UHD
Blu-ray and Blu-ray players, joining Samsung and Sony in
ditching the optical drive.
https://www.avclub.com/death-of-dvd-death-of-streaming-physical-media
I copied this from another newsgroup as some here might find the
article of interest.

Strokes me in Discs, Blu-ray might have been to DVD the same as Beta
was to VHS in tapes!!

Beta was the better product compared to VHS. What killed Beta was that
it was proprietary to Sony, and they wouldn't allow 3rd party
manufacturers to build them. VHS was "open source", and that allowed
those to be mass produced at a much lower cost. Blu-ray (and HD-DVD)
was just the natural evolution from DVDs once HD video was possible.

Yep.

Betamax and VHS were two competing video tape formats.

Video discs have instead evolved in capacity and video quality from
laserdisc -> DVD -> Blu-ray / HD-DVD -> 4K / UHD-DVD. 8K discs were
sort of on the way, but very few companies were interested thanks to
silly streaming. Higher capacity discs (2000 times more capacity than a
4K Blu-ray disc) have been developed, but they will likely be only used
for data storage.

The death of video disc formats is slightly exaggerated, but
manufacuturers no longer making players will probably hasten that
demise. It might make a comeback similar to vinyl music, but it's
unlikely. :-(

JB Hi-Fi in New Zealand and Australia still sells DVDs, and many movies
and TV shows still get a disc release. There are also many online legal
retailers of DVD discs (EzyDVD.com.au for example).

I bought one of the last models of VHS-DVD combo-box players so I could
still have access to my tapes. I got a Blu-ray player, and I'll have to
get a 4K player. I also need to get a vinyl player, but thanks to the
comeback, these are fairly plentiful again, if somewhat expensive for
such "old tech".

[The Doctor]

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Post by Hornplayer9599

Post by Daniel70

Post by Blueshirt
"Tech's takeover of show business has turned everything into
streaming."
This is the landscape in which the sad state of home video
continued deteriorating in 2024. Best Buy ceased carrying DVDs
this year. Target followed suit. Redbox rented its final Liam
Neeson movie and shuttered its kiosks in July. Finally, LG
announced just last week that it would discontinue all its UHD
Blu-ray and Blu-ray players, joining Samsung and Sony in
ditching the optical drive.
https://www.avclub.com/death-of-dvd-death-of-streaming-physical-media
I copied this from another newsgroup as some here might find the
article of interest.

Strokes me in Discs, Blu-ray might have been to DVD the same as Beta
was to VHS in tapes!!

Beta was the better product compared to VHS. What killed Beta was that
it was proprietary to Sony, and they wouldn't allow 3rd party
manufacturers to build them. VHS was "open source", and that allowed
those to be mass produced at a much lower cost. Blu-ray (and HD-DVD)
was just the natural evolution from DVDs once HD video was possible.

Yep.
Betamax and VHS were two competing video tape formats.
Video discs have instead evolved in capacity and video quality from
laserdisc -> DVD -> Blu-ray / HD-DVD -> 4K / UHD-DVD. 8K discs were
sort of on the way, but very few companies were interested thanks to
silly streaming. Higher capacity discs (2000 times more capacity than a
4K Blu-ray disc) have been developed, but they will likely be only used
for data storage.
The death of video disc formats is slightly exaggerated, but
manufacuturers no longer making players will probably hasten that
demise. It might make a comeback similar to vinyl music, but it's
unlikely. :-(
JB Hi-Fi in New Zealand and Australia still sells DVDs, and many movies
and TV shows still get a disc release. There are also many online legal
retailers of DVD discs (EzyDVD.com.au for example).
I bought one of the last models of VHS-DVD combo-box players so I could
still have access to my tapes. I got a Blu-ray player, and I'll have to
get a 4K player. I also need to get a vinyl player, but thanks to the
comeback, these are fairly plentiful again, if somewhat expensive for
such "old tech".

What death? DVD stands for Digital Versatile Disc.

Key word : Versatile.

[Daniel70]

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Post by Hornplayer9599

Post by Daniel70

Post by Blueshirt
"Tech's takeover of show business has turned everything into
streaming."
This is the landscape in which the sad state of home video
continued deteriorating in 2024. Best Buy ceased carrying DVDs
this year. Target followed suit. Redbox rented its final Liam
Neeson movie and shuttered its kiosks in July. Finally, LG
announced just last week that it would discontinue all its UHD
Blu-ray and Blu-ray players, joining Samsung and Sony in
ditching the optical drive.
https://www.avclub.com/death-of-dvd-death-of-streaming-physical-media
I copied this from another newsgroup as some here might find the
article of interest.

Strokes me in Discs, Blu-ray might have been to DVD the same as
Beta was to VHS in tapes!!

Beta was the better product compared to VHS.

Hence the name 'Beta' as in 'Better'!!

Post by Your Name

Post by Hornplayer9599
What killed Beta was that it was proprietary to Sony, and they
wouldn't allow 3rd party manufacturers to build them. VHS was
"open source", and that allowed those to be mass produced at a much
lower cost. Blu-ray (and HD-DVD) was just the natural evolution
from DVDs once HD video was possible.

Yep.
Betamax and VHS were two competing video tape formats.

For ten years or more (mid-80's through 00's, maybe), (as I was posted
around East Australia in Aust Army then after Discharge) part of my
Christmas trip home to Melbourne was to drop my BetaMax Recorder off to
get the Heads cleaned at a place in South Melbourne where the only
surviving Beta repairer had a shop. He had worked for Sony (Australia)
so probably knew/should have known what he was doing!!

Post by Your Name
Video discs have instead evolved in capacity and video quality from
laserdisc -> DVD -> Blu-ray / HD-DVD -> 4K / UHD-DVD. 8K discs were
sort of on the way, but very few companies were interested thanks to
silly streaming. Higher capacity discs (2000 times more capacity than
a 4K Blu-ray disc) have been developed, but they will likely be only
used for data storage.
The death of video disc formats is slightly exaggerated, but
manufacuturers no longer making players will probably hasten that
demise. It might make a comeback similar to vinyl music, but it's
unlikely. :-(
JB Hi-Fi in New Zealand and Australia still sells DVDs, and many
movies and TV shows still get a disc release. There are also many
online legal retailers of DVD discs (EzyDVD.com.au for example).

Is that right?? I've brought many a DVD from EasyDVD!!

Post by Your Name
I bought one of the last models of VHS-DVD combo-box players so I
could still have access to my tapes. I got a Blu-ray player, and I'll
have to get a 4K player. I also need to get a vinyl player, but
thanks to the comeback, these are fairly plentiful again, if somewhat
expensive for such "old tech".

I think part of the reason I hold on to this Laptop is that it has a DVD
Burner Drive in it .... not that I actually use it much ......

(Obj Doctor Who .... however, as Our ABC is re-broadcasting an episode
of New Doctor Who each week-day (stared in early June and currently up
to early JodieDoc!!), I've probably got about 120-150 New Doctor Who
episodes I'm needing to burn to DVD .... You know, for Personal Use
Only!! ;-P

[The Doctor]

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Post by Hornplayer9599

Post by Daniel70

Post by Blueshirt
"Tech's takeover of show business has turned everything into
streaming."
This is the landscape in which the sad state of home video
continued deteriorating in 2024. Best Buy ceased carrying DVDs
this year. Target followed suit. Redbox rented its final Liam
Neeson movie and shuttered its kiosks in July. Finally, LG
announced just last week that it would discontinue all its UHD
Blu-ray and Blu-ray players, joining Samsung and Sony in
ditching the optical drive.
https://www.avclub.com/death-of-dvd-death-of-streaming-physical-media
I copied this from another newsgroup as some here might find the
article of interest.

Strokes me in Discs, Blu-ray might have been to DVD the same as
Beta was to VHS in tapes!!

Beta was the better product compared to VHS.

Hence the name 'Beta' as in 'Better'!!

Post by Your Name

Post by Hornplayer9599
What killed Beta was that it was proprietary to Sony, and they
wouldn't allow 3rd party manufacturers to build them. VHS was
"open source", and that allowed those to be mass produced at a much
lower cost. Blu-ray (and HD-DVD) was just the natural evolution
from DVDs once HD video was possible.

Yep.
Betamax and VHS were two competing video tape formats.

For ten years or more (mid-80's through 00's, maybe), (as I was posted
around East Australia in Aust Army then after Discharge) part of my
Christmas trip home to Melbourne was to drop my BetaMax Recorder off to
get the Heads cleaned at a place in South Melbourne where the only
surviving Beta repairer had a shop. He had worked for Sony (Australia)
so probably knew/should have known what he was doing!!

Post by Your Name
Video discs have instead evolved in capacity and video quality from
laserdisc -> DVD -> Blu-ray / HD-DVD -> 4K / UHD-DVD. 8K discs were
sort of on the way, but very few companies were interested thanks to
silly streaming. Higher capacity discs (2000 times more capacity than
a 4K Blu-ray disc) have been developed, but they will likely be only
used for data storage.
The death of video disc formats is slightly exaggerated, but
manufacuturers no longer making players will probably hasten that
demise. It might make a comeback similar to vinyl music, but it's
unlikely. :-(
JB Hi-Fi in New Zealand and Australia still sells DVDs, and many
movies and TV shows still get a disc release. There are also many
online legal retailers of DVD discs (EzyDVD.com.au for example).

Is that right?? I've brought many a DVD from EasyDVD!!

What about a converter?

Post by Daniel70

Post by Your Name
I bought one of the last models of VHS-DVD combo-box players so I
could still have access to my tapes. I got a Blu-ray player, and I'll
have to get a 4K player. I also need to get a vinyl player, but
thanks to the comeback, these are fairly plentiful again, if somewhat
expensive for such "old tech".

I think part of the reason I hold on to this Laptop is that it has a DVD
Burner Drive in it .... not that I actually use it much ......
(Obj Doctor Who .... however, as Our ABC is re-broadcasting an episode
of New Doctor Who each week-day (stared in early June and currently up
to early JodieDoc!!), I've probably got about 120-150 New Doctor Who
episodes I'm needing to burn to DVD .... You know, for Personal Use
Only!! ;-P

Lucky you.

Post by Daniel70
--
Daniel

[Daniel70]

Post by Hornplayer9599

Post by Daniel70

Post by Blueshirt
"Tech's takeover of show business has turned everything into
streaming."
This is the landscape in which the sad state of home video
continued deteriorating in 2024. Best Buy ceased carrying DVDs
this year. Target followed suit. Redbox rented its final Liam
Neeson movie and shuttered its kiosks in July. Finally, LG
announced just last week that it would discontinue all its UHD
Blu-ray and Blu-ray players, joining Samsung and Sony in ditching
the optical drive.
https://www.avclub.com/death-of-dvd-death-of-streaming-physical-media
I copied this from another newsgroup as some here might find the
article of interest.

Strokes me in Discs, Blu-ray might have been to DVD the same as
Beta was to VHS in tapes!!

Beta was the better product compared to VHS. What killed Beta was
that it was proprietary to Sony, and they wouldn't allow 3rd party
manufacturers to build them.

Correct!! I think I still have my Beta Recorder somewhere arround here!

Post by Hornplayer9599
VHS was "open source", and that allowed those to be mass produced at
a much lower cost. Blu-ray (and HD-DVD) was just the natural
evolution from DVDs once HD video was possible.

[The Doctor]

Post by Daniel70

Post by Hornplayer9599

Post by Daniel70

Post by Blueshirt
"Tech's takeover of show business has turned everything into
streaming."
This is the landscape in which the sad state of home video
continued deteriorating in 2024. Best Buy ceased carrying DVDs
this year. Target followed suit. Redbox rented its final Liam
Neeson movie and shuttered its kiosks in July. Finally, LG
announced just last week that it would discontinue all its UHD
Blu-ray and Blu-ray players, joining Samsung and Sony in ditching
the optical drive.
https://www.avclub.com/death-of-dvd-death-of-streaming-physical-media
I copied this from another newsgroup as some here might find the
article of interest.

Strokes me in Discs, Blu-ray might have been to DVD the same as
Beta was to VHS in tapes!!

Beta was the better product compared to VHS. What killed Beta was
that it was proprietary to Sony, and they wouldn't allow 3rd party
manufacturers to build them.

Correct!! I think I still have my Beta Recorder somewhere arround here!

Now there is a museum piece!

Post by Daniel70

Post by Hornplayer9599
VHS was "open source", and that allowed those to be mass produced at
a much lower cost. Blu-ray (and HD-DVD) was just the natural
evolution from DVDs once HD video was possible.

--
Daniel

[The Doctor]

Post by Daniel70

Post by Blueshirt
"Tech's takeover of show business has turned everything into
streaming."
This is the landscape in which the sad state of home video
continued deteriorating in 2024. Best Buy ceased carrying DVDs
this year. Target followed suit. Redbox rented its final Liam
Neeson movie and shuttered its kiosks in July. Finally, LG
announced just last week that it would discontinue all its UHD
Blu-ray and Blu-ray players, joining Samsung and Sony in
ditching the optical drive.
https://www.avclub.com/death-of-dvd-death-of-streaming-physical-media
I copied this from another newsgroup as some here might find the
article of interest.

Strokes me in Discs, Blu-ray might have been to DVD the same as Beta was
to VHS in tapes!!

Are you serious?

Post by Daniel70
--
Daniel

[The Doctor]

Post by Blueshirt
"Tech's takeover of show business has turned everything into
streaming."
This is the landscape in which the sad state of home video
continued deteriorating in 2024. Best Buy ceased carrying DVDs
this year. Target followed suit. Redbox rented its final Liam
Neeson movie and shuttered its kiosks in July. Finally, LG
announced just last week that it would discontinue all its UHD
Blu-ray and Blu-ray players, joining Samsung and Sony in
ditching the optical drive.
https://www.avclub.com/death-of-dvd-death-of-streaming-physical-media
I copied this from another newsgroup as some here might find the
article of interest.

You can stream a DVD!

[Daniel70]

Post by The Doctor

Post by Blueshirt
"Tech's takeover of show business has turned everything into
streaming."
This is the landscape in which the sad state of home video
continued deteriorating in 2024. Best Buy ceased carrying DVDs
this year. Target followed suit. Redbox rented its final Liam
Neeson movie and shuttered its kiosks in July. Finally, LG
announced just last week that it would discontinue all its UHD
Blu-ray and Blu-ray players, joining Samsung and Sony in
ditching the optical drive.
https://www.avclub.com/death-of-dvd-death-of-streaming-physical-media
I copied this from another newsgroup as some here might find the
article of interest.

You can stream a DVD!

If you've got the DVD, why the hell would YOU need to stream it,
Gobble-de-gook??

[The Doctor]

Post by Daniel70

Post by The Doctor

Post by Blueshirt
"Tech's takeover of show business has turned everything into
streaming."
This is the landscape in which the sad state of home video
continued deteriorating in 2024. Best Buy ceased carrying DVDs
this year. Target followed suit. Redbox rented its final Liam
Neeson movie and shuttered its kiosks in July. Finally, LG
announced just last week that it would discontinue all its UHD
Blu-ray and Blu-ray players, joining Samsung and Sony in
ditching the optical drive.
https://www.avclub.com/death-of-dvd-death-of-streaming-physical-media
I copied this from another newsgroup as some here might find the
article of interest.

You can stream a DVD!

If you've got the DVD, why the hell would YOU need to stream it,
Gobble-de-gook??
--
Daniel

For others to enjoy Dooggo!

[The True Doctor]

Post by Blueshirt
"Tech's takeover of show business has turned everything into
streaming."
This is the landscape in which the sad state of home video
continued deteriorating in 2024. Best Buy ceased carrying DVDs
this year. Target followed suit. Redbox rented its final Liam
Neeson movie and shuttered its kiosks in July. Finally, LG
announced just last week that it would discontinue all its UHD
Blu-ray and Blu-ray players, joining Samsung and Sony in
ditching the optical drive.

Since it's currently impossible to playback a UHD Blu-ray on a computer
with a modern CPU from either Intel and AMD, and it was never possible
to play one back with an AMD CPU from the very beginning this is no
surprise. The copyright enforcement imbeciles killed off UHD Blu-ray
from the very beginning by requiring special instruction sets built into
CPUs in order to decode them and then when Intel the only CPU maker to
support these instructions removed them because they were insecure UHD
Blu-rays could not be read unless you used pirating software to hack
them and their keys from the disc.

Now the question is how are you supposed to play back your old discs if
you can't replace your player when it eventually breaks down?

There's only one answer and that is to download the 4K files of the
movies and shows you have bought from a torrent site, which is perfectly
legal under UK law. Also if the copyright owners can't provide equipment
that can backup discs that you own they're breaking the DMCA in the US,
so sod them for making it impossible to play them back on your computer.
Torrent all the movies and TV shows you want if you've already paid to
watch them since you are entitled by the law to do so.

Post by Blueshirt
https://www.avclub.com/death-of-dvd-death-of-streaming-physical-media
I copied this from another newsgroup as some here might find the
article of interest.

[Blueshirt]

Post by The True Doctor

Post by Blueshirt
"Tech's takeover of show business has turned everything into
streaming."
This is the landscape in which the sad state of home video
continued deteriorating in 2024. Best Buy ceased carrying
DVDs this year. Target followed suit. Redbox rented its
final Liam Neeson movie and shuttered its kiosks in July.
Finally, LG announced just last week that it would
discontinue all its UHD Blu-ray and Blu-ray players, joining
Samsung and Sony in ditching the optical drive.

Since it's currently impossible to playback a UHD Blu-ray on a
computer with a modern CPU from either Intel and AMD, and it
was never possible to play one back with an AMD CPU from the
very beginning this is no surprise. The copyright enforcement
imbeciles killed off UHD Blu-ray from the very beginning by
requiring special instruction sets built into CPUs in order to
decode them and then when Intel the only CPU maker to support
these instructions removed them because they were insecure UHD
Blu-rays could not be read unless you used pirating software
to hack them and their keys from the disc.
Now the question is how are you supposed to play back your old
discs if you can't replace your player when it eventually
breaks down?
There's only one answer and that is to download the 4K files
of the movies and shows you have bought from a torrent site,
which is perfectly legal under UK law.

I have my own back-ups of my favourite films for that very
reason.

Post by The True Doctor
Also if the copyright owners can't provide equipment
that can backup discs that you own they're breaking
the DMCA in the US, so sod them for making it
impossible to play them back on your computer. Torrent
all the movies and TV shows you want if you've already
paid to watch them since you are entitled by the law to
do so.

I don't torrent but there is a reason that I pay for my Usenet
service... and believe it or not, it's not just so that I can
access rec.arts.drwho and rec.sport.soccer!

[The Doctor]

Post by Blueshirt

Post by The True Doctor

Post by Blueshirt
"Tech's takeover of show business has turned everything into
streaming."
This is the landscape in which the sad state of home video
continued deteriorating in 2024. Best Buy ceased carrying
DVDs this year. Target followed suit. Redbox rented its
final Liam Neeson movie and shuttered its kiosks in July.
Finally, LG announced just last week that it would
discontinue all its UHD Blu-ray and Blu-ray players, joining
Samsung and Sony in ditching the optical drive.

Since it's currently impossible to playback a UHD Blu-ray on a
computer with a modern CPU from either Intel and AMD, and it
was never possible to play one back with an AMD CPU from the
very beginning this is no surprise. The copyright enforcement
imbeciles killed off UHD Blu-ray from the very beginning by
requiring special instruction sets built into CPUs in order to
decode them and then when Intel the only CPU maker to support
these instructions removed them because they were insecure UHD
Blu-rays could not be read unless you used pirating software
to hack them and their keys from the disc.
Now the question is how are you supposed to play back your old
discs if you can't replace your player when it eventually
breaks down?
There's only one answer and that is to download the 4K files
of the movies and shows you have bought from a torrent site,
which is perfectly legal under UK law.

I have my own back-ups of my favourite films for that very
reason.

Post by The True Doctor
Also if the copyright owners can't provide equipment
that can backup discs that you own they're breaking
the DMCA in the US, so sod them for making it
impossible to play them back on your computer. Torrent
all the movies and TV shows you want if you've already
paid to watch them since you are entitled by the law to
do so.

I don't torrent but there is a reason that I pay for my Usenet
service... and believe it or not, it's not just so that I can
access rec.arts.drwho and rec.sport.soccer!

Have fun!

[The True Doctor]

Post by Blueshirt

Post by The True Doctor

Post by Blueshirt
"Tech's takeover of show business has turned everything into
streaming."
This is the landscape in which the sad state of home video
continued deteriorating in 2024. Best Buy ceased carrying
DVDs this year. Target followed suit. Redbox rented its
final Liam Neeson movie and shuttered its kiosks in July.
Finally, LG announced just last week that it would
discontinue all its UHD Blu-ray and Blu-ray players, joining
Samsung and Sony in ditching the optical drive.

Since it's currently impossible to playback a UHD Blu-ray on a
computer with a modern CPU from either Intel and AMD, and it
was never possible to play one back with an AMD CPU from the
very beginning this is no surprise. The copyright enforcement
imbeciles killed off UHD Blu-ray from the very beginning by
requiring special instruction sets built into CPUs in order to
decode them and then when Intel the only CPU maker to support
these instructions removed them because they were insecure UHD
Blu-rays could not be read unless you used pirating software
to hack them and their keys from the disc.
Now the question is how are you supposed to play back your old
discs if you can't replace your player when it eventually
breaks down?
There's only one answer and that is to download the 4K files
of the movies and shows you have bought from a torrent site,
which is perfectly legal under UK law.

I have my own back-ups of my favourite films for that very
reason.

The BBC should be obliged to replace all of the Doctor Who VHS tapes
which I bought with the latest Blu-rays.

Post by Blueshirt

Post by The True Doctor
Also if the copyright owners can't provide equipment
that can backup discs that you own they're breaking
the DMCA in the US, so sod them for making it
impossible to play them back on your computer. Torrent
all the movies and TV shows you want if you've already
paid to watch them since you are entitled by the law to
do so.

I don't torrent but there is a reason that I pay for my Usenet
service... and believe it or not, it's not just so that I can
access rec.arts.drwho and rec.sport.soccer!

Binaries!

[The Doctor]

Post by The True Doctor

Post by Blueshirt

Post by The True Doctor

Post by Blueshirt
"Tech's takeover of show business has turned everything into
streaming."
This is the landscape in which the sad state of home video
continued deteriorating in 2024. Best Buy ceased carrying
DVDs this year. Target followed suit. Redbox rented its
final Liam Neeson movie and shuttered its kiosks in July.
Finally, LG announced just last week that it would
discontinue all its UHD Blu-ray and Blu-ray players, joining
Samsung and Sony in ditching the optical drive.

Since it's currently impossible to playback a UHD Blu-ray on a
computer with a modern CPU from either Intel and AMD, and it
was never possible to play one back with an AMD CPU from the
very beginning this is no surprise. The copyright enforcement
imbeciles killed off UHD Blu-ray from the very beginning by
requiring special instruction sets built into CPUs in order to
decode them and then when Intel the only CPU maker to support
these instructions removed them because they were insecure UHD
Blu-rays could not be read unless you used pirating software
to hack them and their keys from the disc.
Now the question is how are you supposed to play back your old
discs if you can't replace your player when it eventually
breaks down?
There's only one answer and that is to download the 4K files
of the movies and shows you have bought from a torrent site,
which is perfectly legal under UK law.

I have my own back-ups of my favourite films for that very
reason.

The BBC should be obliged to replace all of the Doctor Who VHS tapes
which I bought with the latest Blu-rays.

Just ditch the Chbnall Era reminents!

Post by The True Doctor

Post by Blueshirt

Post by The True Doctor
Also if the copyright owners can't provide equipment
that can backup discs that you own they're breaking
the DMCA in the US, so sod them for making it
impossible to play them back on your computer. Torrent
all the movies and TV shows you want if you've already
paid to watch them since you are entitled by the law to
do so.

I don't torrent but there is a reason that I pay for my Usenet
service... and believe it or not, it's not just so that I can
access rec.arts.drwho and rec.sport.soccer!

Binaries!
--
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it
stands for." -William Shatner

[Blueshirt]

Post by The True Doctor

Post by Blueshirt

Post by The True Doctor
Now the question is how are you supposed to play back your
old discs if you can't replace your player when it
eventually breaks down?
There's only one answer and that is to download the 4K
files of the movies and shows you have bought from a
torrent site, which is perfectly legal under UK law.

I have my own back-ups of my favourite films for that very
reason.

The BBC should be obliged to replace all of the Doctor Who VHS
tapes which I bought with the latest Blu-rays.

I have done that myself. The ongoing "Doctor Who Collection"
Blu-Ray series is the only physical media I buy now. (Even
though our comrades over at alt.drwho.binaries upload the
contents of those releases - for archive purposes of course -
shortly after they are released.) I like to have the full
seasons - with the limited edition packaging - on my shelf. They
replaced all of those Doctor Who DVD's in the silver cases that
have now been relegated to a box on top of the wardrobe because
I can't even give them away!!!

Season 7 is released next... my favourite Doctor... so my Amazon
pre-order for that Blu-Ray is already in.

My heirs will probably bin all of those Doctor Who Blu-Ray's
when I'm gone though, as they won't know what to do with them...

[The Doctor]

Post by Blueshirt

Post by The True Doctor

Post by Blueshirt

Post by The True Doctor
Now the question is how are you supposed to play back your
old discs if you can't replace your player when it
eventually breaks down?
There's only one answer and that is to download the 4K
files of the movies and shows you have bought from a
torrent site, which is perfectly legal under UK law.

I have my own back-ups of my favourite films for that very
reason.

The BBC should be obliged to replace all of the Doctor Who VHS
tapes which I bought with the latest Blu-rays.

I have done that myself. The ongoing "Doctor Who Collection"
Blu-Ray series is the only physical media I buy now. (Even
though our comrades over at alt.drwho.binaries upload the
contents of those releases - for archive purposes of course -
shortly after they are released.) I like to have the full
seasons - with the limited edition packaging - on my shelf. They
replaced all of those Doctor Who DVD's in the silver cases that
have now been relegated to a box on top of the wardrobe because
I can't even give them away!!!
Season 7 is released next... my favourite Doctor... so my Amazon
pre-order for that Blu-Ray is already in.

The favourite of all time.

Post by Blueshirt
My heirs will probably bin all of those Doctor Who Blu-Ray's
when I'm gone though, as they won't know what to do with them...

[The Doctor]

Post by The True Doctor

Post by Blueshirt
"Tech's takeover of show business has turned everything into
streaming."
This is the landscape in which the sad state of home video
continued deteriorating in 2024. Best Buy ceased carrying DVDs
this year. Target followed suit. Redbox rented its final Liam
Neeson movie and shuttered its kiosks in July. Finally, LG
announced just last week that it would discontinue all its UHD
Blu-ray and Blu-ray players, joining Samsung and Sony in
ditching the optical drive.

Since it's currently impossible to playback a UHD Blu-ray on a computer
with a modern CPU from either Intel and AMD, and it was never possible
to play one back with an AMD CPU from the very beginning this is no
surprise. The copyright enforcement imbeciles killed off UHD Blu-ray
from the very beginning by requiring special instruction sets built into
CPUs in order to decode them and then when Intel the only CPU maker to
support these instructions removed them because they were insecure UHD
Blu-rays could not be read unless you used pirating software to hack
them and their keys from the disc.
Now the question is how are you supposed to play back your old discs if
you can't replace your player when it eventually breaks down?
There's only one answer and that is to download the 4K files of the
movies and shows you have bought from a torrent site, which is perfectly
legal under UK law. Also if the copyright owners can't provide equipment
that can backup discs that you own they're breaking the DMCA in the US,
so sod them for making it impossible to play them back on your computer.
Torrent all the movies and TV shows you want if you've already paid to
watch them since you are entitled by the law to do so.

Post by Blueshirt
https://www.avclub.com/death-of-dvd-death-of-streaming-physical-media
I copied this from another newsgroup as some here might find the
article of interest.

Physical Media will not die.

Post by The True Doctor
--
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it
stands for." -William Shatner

[Blueshirt]

Post by The Doctor

Post by The True Doctor
There's only one answer and that is to download the 4K files
of the movies and shows you have bought from a torrent site,
which is perfectly legal under UK law. Also if the copyright
owners can't provide equipment that can backup discs that
you own they're breaking the DMCA in the US, so sod them for
making it impossible to play them back on your computer.
Torrent all the movies and TV shows you want if you've
already paid to watch them since you are entitled by the law
to do so.

Physical Media will not die.

Do you do your bit to keep physical media alive Dave?

Do you buy any physical media at all? If so, what?

[The Doctor]

Post by Blueshirt

Post by The Doctor

Post by The True Doctor
There's only one answer and that is to download the 4K files
of the movies and shows you have bought from a torrent site,
which is perfectly legal under UK law. Also if the copyright
owners can't provide equipment that can backup discs that
you own they're breaking the DMCA in the US, so sod them for
making it impossible to play them back on your computer.
Torrent all the movies and TV shows you want if you've
already paid to watch them since you are entitled by the law
to do so.

Physical Media will not die.

Do you do your bit to keep physical media alive Dave?
Do you buy any physical media at all? If so, what?

Yes, Yes , DVDs upwards!

[Daniel70]

Post by The Doctor

Post by Blueshirt
"Tech's takeover of show business has turned everything into
streaming."
This is the landscape in which the sad state of home video
continued deteriorating in 2024. Best Buy ceased carrying DVDs
this year. Target followed suit. Redbox rented its final Liam
Neeson movie and shuttered its kiosks in July. Finally, LG
announced just last week that it would discontinue all its UHD
Blu-ray and Blu-ray players, joining Samsung and Sony in
ditching the optical drive.

<Snip>

Post by The Doctor

Post by Blueshirt
https://www.avclub.com/death-of-dvd-death-of-streaming-physical-media
I copied this from another newsgroup as some here might find the
article of interest.

Physical Media will not die.

Depends what YOU mean by "Physical Media", Gobble-de-gook.

I mean Computer/PVR Hard-drives ARE 'Physical Media', aren't they??
Perhaps YOU, Gobble-de-gook, meant *Removable* 'Physical Media'!!

[The Doctor]

Post by Daniel70

Post by The Doctor

Post by Blueshirt
"Tech's takeover of show business has turned everything into
streaming."
This is the landscape in which the sad state of home video
continued deteriorating in 2024. Best Buy ceased carrying DVDs
this year. Target followed suit. Redbox rented its final Liam
Neeson movie and shuttered its kiosks in July. Finally, LG
announced just last week that it would discontinue all its UHD
Blu-ray and Blu-ray players, joining Samsung and Sony in
ditching the optical drive.

<Snip>

Post by The Doctor

Post by Blueshirt
https://www.avclub.com/death-of-dvd-death-of-streaming-physical-media
I copied this from another newsgroup as some here might find the
article of interest.

Physical Media will not die.

Depends what YOU mean by "Physical Media", Gobble-de-gook.
I mean Computer/PVR Hard-drives ARE 'Physical Media', aren't they??
Perhaps YOU, Gobble-de-gook, meant *Removable* 'Physical Media'!!

All of the above.

Post by Daniel70
--
Daniel

[The True Doctor]

Post by Daniel70

Post by The Doctor

Post by Blueshirt
"Tech's takeover of show business has turned everything into
streaming."
This is the landscape in which the sad state of home video
continued deteriorating in 2024. Best Buy ceased carrying DVDs
this year. Target followed suit. Redbox rented its final Liam
Neeson movie and shuttered its kiosks in July. Finally, LG
announced just last week that it would discontinue all its UHD
Blu-ray and Blu-ray players, joining Samsung and Sony in
ditching the optical drive.

<Snip>

Post by The Doctor

Post by Blueshirt
https://www.avclub.com/death-of-dvd-death-of-streaming-physical-media
I copied this from another newsgroup as some here might find the
article of interest.

Physical Media will not die.

Depends what YOU mean by "Physical Media", Gobble-de-gook.
I mean Computer/PVR Hard-drives ARE 'Physical Media', aren't they??
Perhaps YOU, Gobble-de-gook, meant *Removable* 'Physical Media'!!

I don't see anyone selling those pre-recorded with TV shows and movies
in the shops, or even SDXD cards which are now cheaper per GB than those
stupid Blu-ray things. All the more reason to torrent stuff you've
already paid for if the studios won't replace your legacy media with new
media which you can still play.

[The Doctor]

Post by The True Doctor

Post by Daniel70

Post by The Doctor

Post by Blueshirt
"Tech's takeover of show business has turned everything into
streaming."
This is the landscape in which the sad state of home video
continued deteriorating in 2024. Best Buy ceased carrying DVDs
this year. Target followed suit. Redbox rented its final Liam
Neeson movie and shuttered its kiosks in July. Finally, LG
announced just last week that it would discontinue all its UHD
Blu-ray and Blu-ray players, joining Samsung and Sony in
ditching the optical drive.

<Snip>

Post by The Doctor

Post by Blueshirt
https://www.avclub.com/death-of-dvd-death-of-streaming-physical-media
I copied this from another newsgroup as some here might find the
article of interest.

Physical Media will not die.

Depends what YOU mean by "Physical Media", Gobble-de-gook.
I mean Computer/PVR Hard-drives ARE 'Physical Media', aren't they??
Perhaps YOU, Gobble-de-gook, meant *Removable* 'Physical Media'!!

I don't see anyone selling those pre-recorded with TV shows and movies
in the shops, or even SDXD cards which are now cheaper per GB than those
stupid Blu-ray things. All the more reason to torrent stuff you've
already paid for if the studios won't replace your legacy media with new
media which you can still play.

ExacltY
!!

Post by The True Doctor
--
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it
stands for." -William Shatner

[Blueshirt]

Post by The True Doctor

Post by Daniel70

Post by The Doctor
Physical Media will not die.

Depends what YOU mean by "Physical Media", Gobble-de-gook.
I mean Computer/PVR Hard-drives ARE 'Physical Media', aren't
they?? Perhaps YOU, Gobble-de-gook, meant Removable
'Physical Media'!!

I don't see anyone selling those pre-recorded with TV shows
and movies in the shops, or even SDXD cards which are now
cheaper per GB than those stupid Blu-ray things. All the more
reason to torrent stuff you've already paid for if the studios
won't replace your legacy media with new media which you can
still play.

I don't see physical media going completely away anytime soon,
there will always be collectors of things who like to collect. I
like having the Doctor Who Blu-Rays on my shelf but I don't
actually need them to watch the episodes. (The new 'extras' are
cool but they're not essential.)

LP's went out of fashion decades ago yet every big shop seems to
sell records now. So did they go away and come back or did they
never really go away at all and it was the record collector's
that kept the format alive? (I've also noticed cassettes back on
shelves too...) Whilst downloading/streaming is popular, there
will always be a niche market for the fans of physical media so
I reckon DVD's will outlive me!

[The Doctor]

Post by Blueshirt

Post by The True Doctor

Post by Daniel70

Post by The Doctor
Physical Media will not die.

Depends what YOU mean by "Physical Media", Gobble-de-gook.
I mean Computer/PVR Hard-drives ARE 'Physical Media', aren't
they?? Perhaps YOU, Gobble-de-gook, meant Removable
'Physical Media'!!

I don't see anyone selling those pre-recorded with TV shows
and movies in the shops, or even SDXD cards which are now
cheaper per GB than those stupid Blu-ray things. All the more
reason to torrent stuff you've already paid for if the studios
won't replace your legacy media with new media which you can
still play.

I don't see physical media going completely away anytime soon,
there will always be collectors of things who like to collect. I
like having the Doctor Who Blu-Rays on my shelf but I don't
actually need them to watch the episodes. (The new 'extras' are
cool but they're not essential.)
LP's went out of fashion decades ago yet every big shop seems to
sell records now. So did they go away and come back or did they
never really go away at all and it was the record collector's
that kept the format alive? (I've also noticed cassettes back on
shelves too...) Whilst downloading/streaming is popular, there
will always be a niche market for the fans of physical media so
I reckon DVD's will outlive me!

I dare you to install an operrrating system without a physical media.

[Your Name]

Post by Blueshirt

Post by The True Doctor

Post by Daniel70

Post by The Doctor
Physical Media will not die.

Depends what YOU mean by "Physical Media", Gobble-de-gook.
I mean Computer/PVR Hard-drives ARE 'Physical Media', aren't
they?? Perhaps YOU, Gobble-de-gook, meant Removable
'Physical Media'!!

I don't see anyone selling those pre-recorded with TV shows
and movies in the shops, or even SDXD cards which are now
cheaper per GB than those stupid Blu-ray things. All the more
reason to torrent stuff you've already paid for if the studios
won't replace your legacy media with new media which you can
still play.

I don't see physical media going completely away anytime soon,
there will always be collectors of things who like to collect. I
like having the Doctor Who Blu-Rays on my shelf but I don't
actually need them to watch the episodes. (The new 'extras' are
cool but they're not essential.)
LP's went out of fashion decades ago yet every big shop seems to
sell records now. So did they go away and come back or did they
never really go away at all and it was the record collector's
that kept the format alive? (I've also noticed cassettes back on
shelves too...) Whilst downloading/streaming is popular, there
will always be a niche market for the fans of physical media so
I reckon DVD's will outlive me!

Vinyl never fully went away. Music enthusiasts and high-end specialty
stores kept it alive due to the sound quality being better than CDs.
Some bands did keep releasing vinyl versions of their material, often
in limited numbers, so expensive. Vinyl has slowly made a come back
though, and some main high street stores are again selling vinyl and
players, and many modern bands like Taylor Swift releasing material on
vinyl and new generations of collectors wanting to buy it.

Cassette tapes are occasionally released, but usually as an advertising
gimmick. Tape quality was never very good, so is unlikely to make a
real come back ... although tapes are more portable than vinyl.

It's not just vinyl and music formats either. "Old skool" games
consoles have been making a come back as small "mini" versions.
Computers and the internet were both ment to bring the death of printed
books and papers, but that too never happened, and in fact most
businesses print more than they ever have.

There was recently a newVHS version of a movie released, but that too
was more of an advertising gimmick and few people have to equipment to
play the tape these days.

[The Doctor]

Post by Your Name

Post by Blueshirt

Post by The True Doctor

Post by Daniel70

Post by The Doctor
Physical Media will not die.

Depends what YOU mean by "Physical Media", Gobble-de-gook.
I mean Computer/PVR Hard-drives ARE 'Physical Media', aren't
they?? Perhaps YOU, Gobble-de-gook, meant Removable
'Physical Media'!!

I don't see anyone selling those pre-recorded with TV shows
and movies in the shops, or even SDXD cards which are now
cheaper per GB than those stupid Blu-ray things. All the more
reason to torrent stuff you've already paid for if the studios
won't replace your legacy media with new media which you can
still play.

I don't see physical media going completely away anytime soon,
there will always be collectors of things who like to collect. I
like having the Doctor Who Blu-Rays on my shelf but I don't
actually need them to watch the episodes. (The new 'extras' are
cool but they're not essential.)
LP's went out of fashion decades ago yet every big shop seems to
sell records now. So did they go away and come back or did they
never really go away at all and it was the record collector's
that kept the format alive? (I've also noticed cassettes back on
shelves too...) Whilst downloading/streaming is popular, there
will always be a niche market for the fans of physical media so
I reckon DVD's will outlive me!

Vinyl never fully went away. Music enthusiasts and high-end specialty
stores kept it alive due to the sound quality being better than CDs.
Some bands did keep releasing vinyl versions of their material, often
in limited numbers, so expensive. Vinyl has slowly made a come back
though, and some main high street stores are again selling vinyl and
players, and many modern bands like Taylor Swift releasing material on
vinyl and new generations of collectors wanting to buy it.
Cassette tapes are occasionally released, but usually as an advertising
gimmick. Tape quality was never very good, so is unlikely to make a
real come back ... although tapes are more portable than vinyl.
It's not just vinyl and music formats either. "Old skool" games
consoles have been making a come back as small "mini" versions.
Computers and the internet were both ment to bring the death of printed
books and papers, but that too never happened, and in fact most
businesses print more than they ever have.
There was recently a newVHS version of a movie released, but that too
was more of an advertising gimmick and few people have to equipment to
play the tape these days.

WEll pure digtial OTOH ...

[Blueshirt]

Post by Your Name

Post by Blueshirt
I don't see physical media going completely away anytime
soon, there will always be collectors of things who like to
collect. I like having the Doctor Who Blu-Rays on my shelf
but I don't actually need them to watch the episodes. (The
new 'extras' are cool but they're not essential.)
LP's went out of fashion decades ago yet every big shop
seems to sell records now. So did they go away and come back
or did they never really go away at all and it was the
record collector's that kept the format alive? (I've also
noticed cassettes back on shelves too...) Whilst
downloading/streaming is popular, there will always be a
niche market for the fans of physical media so I reckon
DVD's will outlive me!

Vinyl never fully went away. Music enthusiasts and high-end
specialty stores kept it alive due to the sound quality being
better than CDs. Some bands did keep releasing vinyl versions
of their material, often in limited numbers, so expensive.
Vinyl has slowly made a come back though, and some main high
street stores are again selling vinyl and players, and many
modern bands like Taylor Swift releasing material on vinyl and
new generations of collectors wanting to buy it.

Records never went away from our loft anyway... I still have
original Iron Maiden and Metallica albums from the 1980's, as
well as all the crusty records my old fella left behind. (Elvis,
Dubliners, Wolfe Tones, etc.) When I got a new turntable a few
years ago - to play the Big Finish Doctor Who stories that they
released on vinyl - I brought the boxes of records down from the
loft and the records were as scratched a fuck but they still
played... and you don't hear the crackles and pops once the loud
music kicks in!

Post by Your Name
Cassette tapes are occasionally released, but usually as an
advertising gimmick. Tape quality was never very good, so is
unlikely to make a real come back ... although tapes are more
portable than vinyl.

Big Finish just re-released "Doctor Who: The Sirens of Time" on
cassette, but that was a gimmick release to tie-in with the 25th
anniversary of that story's original release in 1999.

They should have included a free pencil for when you need to
rewind the tape though.

Post by Your Name
It's not just vinyl and music formats either. "Old skool"
games consoles have been making a come back as small "mini"
versions. Computers and the internet were both ment to bring
the death of printed books and papers, but that too never
happened, and in fact most businesses print more than they
ever have.

Oldies don't like change!

[The Doctor]

Post by Blueshirt

Post by Your Name

Post by Blueshirt
I don't see physical media going completely away anytime
soon, there will always be collectors of things who like to
collect. I like having the Doctor Who Blu-Rays on my shelf
but I don't actually need them to watch the episodes. (The
new 'extras' are cool but they're not essential.)
LP's went out of fashion decades ago yet every big shop
seems to sell records now. So did they go away and come back
or did they never really go away at all and it was the
record collector's that kept the format alive? (I've also
noticed cassettes back on shelves too...) Whilst
downloading/streaming is popular, there will always be a
niche market for the fans of physical media so I reckon
DVD's will outlive me!

Vinyl never fully went away. Music enthusiasts and high-end
specialty stores kept it alive due to the sound quality being
better than CDs. Some bands did keep releasing vinyl versions
of their material, often in limited numbers, so expensive.
Vinyl has slowly made a come back though, and some main high
street stores are again selling vinyl and players, and many
modern bands like Taylor Swift releasing material on vinyl and
new generations of collectors wanting to buy it.

Records never went away from our loft anyway... I still have
original Iron Maiden and Metallica albums from the 1980's, as
well as all the crusty records my old fella left behind. (Elvis,
Dubliners, Wolfe Tones, etc.) When I got a new turntable a few
years ago - to play the Big Finish Doctor Who stories that they
released on vinyl - I brought the boxes of records down from the
loft and the records were as scratched a fuck but they still
played... and you don't hear the crackles and pops once the loud
music kicks in!

Post by Your Name
Cassette tapes are occasionally released, but usually as an
advertising gimmick. Tape quality was never very good, so is
unlikely to make a real come back ... although tapes are more
portable than vinyl.

Big Finish just re-released "Doctor Who: The Sirens of Time" on
cassette, but that was a gimmick release to tie-in with the 25th
anniversary of that story's original release in 1999.
They should have included a free pencil for when you need to
rewind the tape though.

Post by Your Name
It's not just vinyl and music formats either. "Old skool"
games consoles have been making a come back as small "mini"
versions. Computers and the internet were both ment to bring
the death of printed books and papers, but that too never
happened, and in fact most businesses print more than they
ever have.

Oldies don't like change!

Cassette, now that is a collector!!

[The True Doctor]

Post by Blueshirt

Post by The True Doctor

Post by Daniel70

Post by The Doctor
Physical Media will not die.

Depends what YOU mean by "Physical Media", Gobble-de-gook.
I mean Computer/PVR Hard-drives ARE 'Physical Media', aren't
they?? Perhaps YOU, Gobble-de-gook, meant Removable
'Physical Media'!!

I don't see anyone selling those pre-recorded with TV shows
and movies in the shops, or even SDXD cards which are now
cheaper per GB than those stupid Blu-ray things. All the more
reason to torrent stuff you've already paid for if the studios
won't replace your legacy media with new media which you can
still play.

I don't see physical media going completely away anytime soon,
there will always be collectors of things who like to collect. I
like having the Doctor Who Blu-Rays on my shelf but I don't
actually need them to watch the episodes. (The new 'extras' are
cool but they're not essential.)
LP's went out of fashion decades ago yet every big shop seems to
sell records now. So did they go away and come back or did they

They stopped being made because CDs were cheaper, and then the sound
quality of CDs went down the toilet thanks to massive amounts of
unnecessary dynamic range compression being put on them when they didn't
need any, so people started demanding new stuff on vinyl, not just DJs
who needed physical records to scratch with without any lag.

Post by Blueshirt
never really go away at all and it was the record collector's
that kept the format alive? (I've also noticed cassettes back on
shelves too...) Whilst downloading/streaming is popular, there
will always be a niche market for the fans of physical media so
I reckon DVD's will outlive me!

DVDs are Standard Definition so unless you're only watching shows made
in SD then they're obsolete just like wax cylinders and 78s. In fact
even with SD shows recorded in component RGB format on quadruplex video
recorders, they'd still look better on Blu-ray because Blu-ray would
better preserve the original colours. When they introduced the
new-fangeled helical tracking systems the video quality went down the
toilet since they only recorded in composite format.

Anyone can make a deck to play back vinyl and tape thousands of years in
the future even without instructions. I doubt they'd be able to make a
DVD or Blu-ray player due to the encryption being used.

[The Doctor]

Post by The True Doctor

Post by Blueshirt

Post by The True Doctor

Post by Daniel70

Post by The Doctor
Physical Media will not die.

Depends what YOU mean by "Physical Media", Gobble-de-gook.
I mean Computer/PVR Hard-drives ARE 'Physical Media', aren't
they?? Perhaps YOU, Gobble-de-gook, meant Removable
'Physical Media'!!

I don't see anyone selling those pre-recorded with TV shows
and movies in the shops, or even SDXD cards which are now
cheaper per GB than those stupid Blu-ray things. All the more
reason to torrent stuff you've already paid for if the studios
won't replace your legacy media with new media which you can
still play.

I don't see physical media going completely away anytime soon,
there will always be collectors of things who like to collect. I
like having the Doctor Who Blu-Rays on my shelf but I don't
actually need them to watch the episodes. (The new 'extras' are
cool but they're not essential.)
LP's went out of fashion decades ago yet every big shop seems to
sell records now. So did they go away and come back or did they

They stopped being made because CDs were cheaper, and then the sound
quality of CDs went down the toilet thanks to massive amounts of
unnecessary dynamic range compression being put on them when they didn't
need any, so people started demanding new stuff on vinyl, not just DJs
who needed physical records to scratch with without any lag.

Post by Blueshirt
never really go away at all and it was the record collector's
that kept the format alive? (I've also noticed cassettes back on
shelves too...) Whilst downloading/streaming is popular, there
will always be a niche market for the fans of physical media so
I reckon DVD's will outlive me!

DVDs are Standard Definition so unless you're only watching shows made
in SD then they're obsolete just like wax cylinders and 78s. In fact
even with SD shows recorded in component RGB format on quadruplex video
recorders, they'd still look better on Blu-ray because Blu-ray would
better preserve the original colours. When they introduced the
new-fangeled helical tracking systems the video quality went down the
toilet since they only recorded in composite format.
Anyone can make a deck to play back vinyl and tape thousands of years in
the future even without instructions. I doubt they'd be able to make a
DVD or Blu-ray player due to the encryption being used.

What sort of encryption?

Post by The True Doctor
--
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it
stands for." -William Shatner

[Daniel70]

Post by The True Doctor

Post by Daniel70

Post by The Doctor

Post by Blueshirt
"Tech's takeover of show business has turned everything into
streaming."
This is the landscape in which the sad state of home video
continued deteriorating in 2024. Best Buy ceased carrying
DVDs this year. Target followed suit. Redbox rented its final
Liam Neeson movie and shuttered its kiosks in July. Finally,
LG announced just last week that it would discontinue all its
UHD Blu-ray and Blu-ray players, joining Samsung and Sony in
ditching the optical drive.

<Snip>

Post by The Doctor

Post by Blueshirt
https://www.avclub.com/death-of-dvd-death-of-streaming-physical-media
I copied this from another newsgroup as some here might find the
article of interest.

Physical Media will not die.

Depends what YOU mean by "Physical Media", Gobble-de-gook.
I mean Computer/PVR Hard-drives ARE 'Physical Media', aren't they??
Perhaps YOU, Gobble-de-gook, meant *Removable* 'Physical Media'!!

I don't see anyone selling those pre-recorded with TV shows and
movies in the shops, or even SDXD cards which are now cheaper per GB
than those stupid Blu-ray things. All the more reason to torrent
stuff you've already paid for if the studios won't replace your
legacy media with new media which you can still play.

But, if the 'Studios' (e.g. BBC) know there IS a market for the physical
product, maybe that'd give them reason to produce more Product which
they could then sell on Media so they might produce more Product ......

Maybe!!

[The Doctor]

Post by Daniel70

Post by The True Doctor

Post by Daniel70

Post by The Doctor

Post by Blueshirt
"Tech's takeover of show business has turned everything into
streaming."
This is the landscape in which the sad state of home video
continued deteriorating in 2024. Best Buy ceased carrying
DVDs this year. Target followed suit. Redbox rented its final
Liam Neeson movie and shuttered its kiosks in July. Finally,
LG announced just last week that it would discontinue all its
UHD Blu-ray and Blu-ray players, joining Samsung and Sony in
ditching the optical drive.

<Snip>

Post by The Doctor

Post by Blueshirt
https://www.avclub.com/death-of-dvd-death-of-streaming-physical-media
I copied this from another newsgroup as some here might find the
article of interest.

Physical Media will not die.

Depends what YOU mean by "Physical Media", Gobble-de-gook.
I mean Computer/PVR Hard-drives ARE 'Physical Media', aren't they??
Perhaps YOU, Gobble-de-gook, meant *Removable* 'Physical Media'!!

I don't see anyone selling those pre-recorded with TV shows and
movies in the shops, or even SDXD cards which are now cheaper per GB
than those stupid Blu-ray things. All the more reason to torrent
stuff you've already paid for if the studios won't replace your
legacy media with new media which you can still play.

But, if the 'Studios' (e.g. BBC) know there IS a market for the physical
product, maybe that'd give them reason to produce more Product which
they could then sell on Media so they might produce more Product ......
Maybe!!

More like definitely!

Post by Daniel70
--
Daniel

[Dimensional Traveler]

Post by Daniel70

Post by The True Doctor

Post by Daniel70

Post by The Doctor

Post by Blueshirt
"Tech's takeover of show business has turned everything into
streaming."
This is the landscape in which the sad state of home video
continued deteriorating in 2024. Best Buy ceased carrying
DVDs this year. Target followed suit. Redbox rented its final
Liam Neeson movie and shuttered its kiosks in July. Finally,
LG announced just last week that it would discontinue all its
UHD Blu-ray and Blu-ray players, joining Samsung and Sony in
ditching the optical drive.

<Snip>

Post by The Doctor

Post by Blueshirt
https://www.avclub.com/death-of-dvd-death-of-streaming-physical-media
I copied this from another newsgroup as some here might find the
article of interest.

Physical Media will not die.

Depends what YOU mean by "Physical Media", Gobble-de-gook.
I mean Computer/PVR Hard-drives ARE 'Physical Media', aren't they??
Perhaps YOU, Gobble-de-gook, meant *Removable* 'Physical Media'!!

I don't see anyone selling those pre-recorded with TV shows and
movies in the shops, or even SDXD cards which are now cheaper per GB
than those stupid Blu-ray things. All the more reason to torrent
stuff you've already paid for if the studios won't replace your
legacy media with new media which you can still play.

But, if the 'Studios' (e.g. BBC) know there IS a market for the physical
product, maybe that'd give them reason to produce more Product which
they could then sell on Media so they might produce more Product ......
Maybe!!

Nope.

The technology has advanced to where they can charge you every time you
view the product. Why would they accept being paid only once when that
became a viable option?

[The Doctor]

Post by Dimensional Traveler

Post by Daniel70

Post by The True Doctor

Post by Daniel70

Post by The Doctor

Post by Blueshirt
"Tech's takeover of show business has turned everything into
streaming."
This is the landscape in which the sad state of home video
continued deteriorating in 2024. Best Buy ceased carrying
DVDs this year. Target followed suit. Redbox rented its final
Liam Neeson movie and shuttered its kiosks in July. Finally,
LG announced just last week that it would discontinue all its
UHD Blu-ray and Blu-ray players, joining Samsung and Sony in
ditching the optical drive.

<Snip>

Post by The Doctor

Post by Blueshirt
https://www.avclub.com/death-of-dvd-death-of-streaming-physical-media
I copied this from another newsgroup as some here might find the
article of interest.

Physical Media will not die.

Depends what YOU mean by "Physical Media", Gobble-de-gook.
I mean Computer/PVR Hard-drives ARE 'Physical Media', aren't they??
Perhaps YOU, Gobble-de-gook, meant *Removable* 'Physical Media'!!

I don't see anyone selling those pre-recorded with TV shows and
movies in the shops, or even SDXD cards which are now cheaper per GB
than those stupid Blu-ray things. All the more reason to torrent
stuff you've already paid for if the studios won't replace your
legacy media with new media which you can still play.

But, if the 'Studios' (e.g. BBC) know there IS a market for the physical
product, maybe that'd give them reason to produce more Product which
they could then sell on Media so they might produce more Product ......
Maybe!!

Nope.
The technology has advanced to where they can charge you every time you
view the product. Why would they accept being paid only once when that
became a viable option?

Hence the record button.

Post by Dimensional Traveler
--
I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
dirty old man.

[Your Name]

Post by Dimensional Traveler

Post by Daniel70

Post by The True Doctor

Post by Daniel70

Post by The Doctor

"Tech's takeover of show business has turned everything into streaming."
This is the landscape in which the sad state of home video continued
deteriorating in 2024. Best Buy ceased carrying
DVDs this year. Target followed suit. Redbox rented its final
Liam Neeson movie and shuttered its kiosks in July. Finally,
LG announced just last week that it would discontinue all its
UHD Blu-ray and Blu-ray players, joining Samsung and Sony in ditching
the optical drive.

<Snip>

Post by The Doctor

https://www.avclub.com/death-of-dvd-death-of-streaming-physical-media
I copied this from another newsgroup as some here might find the
article of interest.

Physical Media will not die.

Depends what YOU mean by "Physical Media", Gobble-de-gook.
I mean Computer/PVR Hard-drives ARE 'Physical Media', aren't they??
Perhaps YOU, Gobble-de-gook, meant *Removable* 'Physical Media'!!

I don't see anyone selling those pre-recorded with TV shows and
movies in the shops, or even SDXD cards which are now cheaper per GB
than those stupid Blu-ray things. All the more reason to torrent
stuff you've already paid for if the studios won't replace your
legacy media with new media which you can still play.

But, if the 'Studios' (e.g. BBC) know there IS a market for the
physical product, maybe that'd give them reason to produce more Product
which they could then sell on Media so they might produce more Product
......
Maybe!!

Nope.
The technology has advanced to where they can charge you every time you
view the product. Why would they accept being paid only once when that
became a viable option?

They have ever been paid once though. They got paid every time they
release the product on a new media format (VHS, DVD, Blu-Ray, 4K, etc.)
and every time they do a re-release (the Star Wars saga movies have
been released at least half-a-dozen times on DVD alone, both
individually and as box sets, all with different packaging and
different "bonus extras").

Subscriptions for streaming puts dolar signs in teh eyes of greedy
management and looks good on paper to the bean counters due to
*supposedly* people continually paying a monthly fee ... but in reality
it doesn't, hasn't, and can't work that way. Few people want to or have
the money to keep paying out to all these silly subscription systems.
They might pay for a month to watch a new season, and then move on to
another service with the next new show. That's why quite a few
subscription services have already gone bankrupt and/or been bought up
by the big boys with deep pockets.

The big problem is more and more companies in various industries are
jumping on the same idiotic subscription system ... even down to
rumours of fools like BMW and Tesla thinking of charging a subscription
fee to use the heated seats in your car!

[The Doctor]

Post by Your Name

Post by Dimensional Traveler

Post by Daniel70

Post by The True Doctor

Post by Daniel70

Post by The Doctor

"Tech's takeover of show business has turned everything into streaming."
This is the landscape in which the sad state of home video continued
deteriorating in 2024. Best Buy ceased carrying
DVDs this year. Target followed suit. Redbox rented its final
Liam Neeson movie and shuttered its kiosks in July. Finally,
LG announced just last week that it would discontinue all its
UHD Blu-ray and Blu-ray players, joining Samsung and Sony in ditching
the optical drive.

<Snip>

Post by The Doctor

https://www.avclub.com/death-of-dvd-death-of-streaming-physical-media
I copied this from another newsgroup as some here might find the
article of interest.

Physical Media will not die.

Depends what YOU mean by "Physical Media", Gobble-de-gook.
I mean Computer/PVR Hard-drives ARE 'Physical Media', aren't they??
Perhaps YOU, Gobble-de-gook, meant *Removable* 'Physical Media'!!

I don't see anyone selling those pre-recorded with TV shows and
movies in the shops, or even SDXD cards which are now cheaper per GB
than those stupid Blu-ray things. All the more reason to torrent
stuff you've already paid for if the studios won't replace your
legacy media with new media which you can still play.

But, if the 'Studios' (e.g. BBC) know there IS a market for the
physical product, maybe that'd give them reason to produce more Product
which they could then sell on Media so they might produce more Product
......
Maybe!!

Nope.
The technology has advanced to where they can charge you every time you
view the product. Why would they accept being paid only once when that
became a viable option?

They have ever been paid once though. They got paid every time they
release the product on a new media format (VHS, DVD, Blu-Ray, 4K, etc.)
and every time they do a re-release (the Star Wars saga movies have
been released at least half-a-dozen times on DVD alone, both
individually and as box sets, all with different packaging and
different "bonus extras").
Subscriptions for streaming puts dolar signs in teh eyes of greedy
management and looks good on paper to the bean counters due to
*supposedly* people continually paying a monthly fee ... but in reality
it doesn't, hasn't, and can't work that way. Few people want to or have
the money to keep paying out to all these silly subscription systems.
They might pay for a month to watch a new season, and then move on to
another service with the next new show. That's why quite a few
subscription services have already gone bankrupt and/or been bought up
by the big boys with deep pockets.
The big problem is more and more companies in various industries are
jumping on the same idiotic subscription system ... even down to
rumours of fools like BMW and Tesla thinking of charging a subscription
fee to use the heated seats in your car!

Screw them!

[Dimensional Traveler]

Post by Your Name

Post by Dimensional Traveler

Post by Daniel70

Post by The True Doctor

Post by Daniel70

Post by The Doctor

"Tech's takeover of show business has turned everything into streaming."
This is the landscape in which the sad state of home video
continued deteriorating in 2024. Best Buy ceased carrying
DVDs this year. Target followed suit. Redbox rented its final
Liam Neeson movie and shuttered its kiosks in July. Finally,
LG announced just last week that it would discontinue all its
UHD Blu-ray and Blu-ray players, joining Samsung and Sony in
ditching the optical drive.

<Snip>

Post by The Doctor

https://www.avclub.com/death-of-dvd-death-of-streaming-physical-
media
I copied this from another newsgroup as some here might find the
article of interest.

Physical Media will not die.

Depends what YOU mean by "Physical Media", Gobble-de-gook.
I mean Computer/PVR Hard-drives ARE 'Physical Media', aren't they??
Perhaps YOU, Gobble-de-gook, meant *Removable* 'Physical Media'!!

I don't see anyone selling those pre-recorded with TV shows and
movies in the shops, or even SDXD cards which are now cheaper per GB
than those stupid Blu-ray things. All the more reason to torrent
stuff you've already paid for if the studios won't replace your
legacy media with new media which you can still play.

But, if the 'Studios' (e.g. BBC) know there IS a market for the
physical product, maybe that'd give them reason to produce more
Product which they could then sell on Media so they might produce
more Product ......
Maybe!!

Nope.
The technology has advanced to where they can charge you every time
you view the product.  Why would they accept being paid only once when
that became a viable option?

They have ever been paid once though. They got paid every time they
release the product on a new media format (VHS, DVD, Blu-Ray, 4K, etc.)
and every time they do a re-release (the Star Wars saga movies have been
released at least half-a-dozen times on DVD alone, both individually and
as box sets, all with different packaging and different "bonus extras").
Subscriptions for streaming puts dolar signs in teh eyes of greedy
management and looks good on paper to the bean counters due to
*supposedly* people continually paying a monthly fee ... but in reality
it doesn't, hasn't, and can't work that way. Few people want to or have
the money to keep paying out to all these silly subscription systems.
They might pay for a month to watch a new season, and then move on to
another service with the next new show. That's why quite a few
subscription services have already gone bankrupt and/or been bought up
by the big boys with deep pockets.
The big problem is more and more companies in various industries are
jumping on the same idiotic subscription system ... even down to rumours
of fools like BMW and Tesla thinking of charging a subscription fee to
use the heated seats in your car!

Re: car subscriptions. Not rumors.

[The Doctor]

Post by Dimensional Traveler

Post by Your Name

Post by Dimensional Traveler

Post by Daniel70

Post by The True Doctor

Post by Daniel70

Post by The Doctor

"Tech's takeover of show business has turned everything into streaming."
This is the landscape in which the sad state of home video
continued deteriorating in 2024. Best Buy ceased carrying
DVDs this year. Target followed suit. Redbox rented its final
Liam Neeson movie and shuttered its kiosks in July. Finally,
LG announced just last week that it would discontinue all its
UHD Blu-ray and Blu-ray players, joining Samsung and Sony in
ditching the optical drive.

<Snip>

Post by The Doctor

https://www.avclub.com/death-of-dvd-death-of-streaming-physical-
media
I copied this from another newsgroup as some here might find the
article of interest.

Physical Media will not die.

Depends what YOU mean by "Physical Media", Gobble-de-gook.
I mean Computer/PVR Hard-drives ARE 'Physical Media', aren't they??
Perhaps YOU, Gobble-de-gook, meant *Removable* 'Physical Media'!!

I don't see anyone selling those pre-recorded with TV shows and
movies in the shops, or even SDXD cards which are now cheaper per GB
than those stupid Blu-ray things. All the more reason to torrent
stuff you've already paid for if the studios won't replace your
legacy media with new media which you can still play.

But, if the 'Studios' (e.g. BBC) know there IS a market for the
physical product, maybe that'd give them reason to produce more
Product which they could then sell on Media so they might produce
more Product ......
Maybe!!

Nope.
The technology has advanced to where they can charge you every time
you view the product.  Why would they accept being paid only once when
that became a viable option?

They have ever been paid once though. They got paid every time they
release the product on a new media format (VHS, DVD, Blu-Ray, 4K, etc.)
and every time they do a re-release (the Star Wars saga movies have been
released at least half-a-dozen times on DVD alone, both individually and
as box sets, all with different packaging and different "bonus extras").
Subscriptions for streaming puts dolar signs in teh eyes of greedy
management and looks good on paper to the bean counters due to
*supposedly* people continually paying a monthly fee ... but in reality
it doesn't, hasn't, and can't work that way. Few people want to or have
the money to keep paying out to all these silly subscription systems.
They might pay for a month to watch a new season, and then move on to
another service with the next new show. That's why quite a few
subscription services have already gone bankrupt and/or been bought up
by the big boys with deep pockets.
The big problem is more and more companies in various industries are
jumping on the same idiotic subscription system ... even down to rumours
of fools like BMW and Tesla thinking of charging a subscription fee to
use the heated seats in your car!

Re: car subscriptions. Not rumors.

Not injterested!

Post by Dimensional Traveler
--
I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
dirty old man.

[Your Name]

Post by Dimensional Traveler

Post by Your Name

Post by Dimensional Traveler

Post by Daniel70

Post by The True Doctor

Post by Daniel70

Post by The Doctor

"Tech's takeover of show business has turned everything into streaming."
This is the landscape in which the sad state of home video continued
deteriorating in 2024. Best Buy ceased carrying
DVDs this year. Target followed suit. Redbox rented its final
Liam Neeson movie and shuttered its kiosks in July. Finally,
LG announced just last week that it would discontinue all its
UHD Blu-ray and Blu-ray players, joining Samsung and Sony in ditching
the optical drive.

<Snip>

Post by The Doctor

https://www.avclub.com/death-of-dvd-death-of-streaming-physical- media
I copied this from another newsgroup as some here might find the
article of interest.

Physical Media will not die.

Depends what YOU mean by "Physical Media", Gobble-de-gook.
I mean Computer/PVR Hard-drives ARE 'Physical Media', aren't they??
Perhaps YOU, Gobble-de-gook, meant *Removable* 'Physical Media'!!

I don't see anyone selling those pre-recorded with TV shows and
movies in the shops, or even SDXD cards which are now cheaper per GB
than those stupid Blu-ray things. All the more reason to torrent
stuff you've already paid for if the studios won't replace your
legacy media with new media which you can still play.

But, if the 'Studios' (e.g. BBC) know there IS a market for the
physical product, maybe that'd give them reason to produce more Product
which they could then sell on Media so they might produce more Product
......
Maybe!!

Nope.
The technology has advanced to where they can charge you every time you
view the product.  Why would they accept being paid only once when that
became a viable option?

They have ever been paid once though. They got paid every time they
release the product on a new media format (VHS, DVD, Blu-Ray, 4K, etc.)
and every time they do a re-release (the Star Wars saga movies have
been released at least half-a-dozen times on DVD alone, both
individually and as box sets, all with different packaging and
different "bonus extras").
Subscriptions for streaming puts dolar signs in teh eyes of greedy
management and looks good on paper to the bean counters due to
*supposedly* people continually paying a monthly fee ... but in reality
it doesn't, hasn't, and can't work that way. Few people want to or have
the money to keep paying out to all these silly subscription systems.
They might pay for a month to watch a new season, and then move on to
another service with the next new show. That's why quite a few
subscription services have already gone bankrupt and/or been bought up
by the big boys with deep pockets.
The big problem is more and more companies in various industries are
jumping on the same idiotic subscription system ... even down to
rumours of fools like BMW and Tesla thinking of charging a subscription
fee to use the heated seats in your car!

Re: car subscriptions. Not rumors.

Sort of. The subscriptions to use hardware-based things already built
into the car have so far not eventuated. Subscriptions for
software-based things do exist though.

BMW was thinking subscriptions for things like heated seats, but
quickly dropped the idea when everyone complained how idiotic it was.
BMW do still charge a subscription for their "Connected Drive" services
though.

Tesla do charge a subscription for their "Premium Connectivity" package
and (I think) their useless "full self-driving" feature that doesn't
work properly anyway.

[The Doctor]

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Post by Daniel70

Post by The Doctor

Post by Blueshirt
"Tech's takeover of show business has turned everything into

streaming."

Post by Dimensional Traveler

Post by Your Name

Post by Dimensional Traveler

Post by Daniel70

Post by The True Doctor

Post by Daniel70

Post by The Doctor

Post by Blueshirt
This is the landscape in which the sad state of home video continued
deteriorating in 2024. Best Buy ceased carrying
DVDs this year. Target followed suit. Redbox rented its final
Liam Neeson movie and shuttered its kiosks in July. Finally,
LG announced just last week that it would discontinue all its
UHD Blu-ray and Blu-ray players, joining Samsung and Sony in ditching
the optical drive.

<Snip>

Post by The Doctor

Post by Blueshirt
https://www.avclub.com/death-of-dvd-death-of-streaming-physical- media
I copied this from another newsgroup as some here might find the
article of interest.

Physical Media will not die.

Depends what YOU mean by "Physical Media", Gobble-de-gook.
I mean Computer/PVR Hard-drives ARE 'Physical Media', aren't they??
Perhaps YOU, Gobble-de-gook, meant *Removable* 'Physical Media'!!

I don't see anyone selling those pre-recorded with TV shows and
movies in the shops, or even SDXD cards which are now cheaper per GB
than those stupid Blu-ray things. All the more reason to torrent
stuff you've already paid for if the studios won't replace your
legacy media with new media which you can still play.

But, if the 'Studios' (e.g. BBC) know there IS a market for the
physical product, maybe that'd give them reason to produce more Product
which they could then sell on Media so they might produce more Product
......
Maybe!!

Nope.
The technology has advanced to where they can charge you every time you
view the product.  Why would they accept being paid only once when that
became a viable option?

They have ever been paid once though. They got paid every time they
release the product on a new media format (VHS, DVD, Blu-Ray, 4K, etc.)
and every time they do a re-release (the Star Wars saga movies have
been released at least half-a-dozen times on DVD alone, both
individually and as box sets, all with different packaging and
different "bonus extras").
Subscriptions for streaming puts dolar signs in teh eyes of greedy
management and looks good on paper to the bean counters due to
*supposedly* people continually paying a monthly fee ... but in reality
it doesn't, hasn't, and can't work that way. Few people want to or have
the money to keep paying out to all these silly subscription systems.
They might pay for a month to watch a new season, and then move on to
another service with the next new show. That's why quite a few
subscription services have already gone bankrupt and/or been bought up
by the big boys with deep pockets.
The big problem is more and more companies in various industries are
jumping on the same idiotic subscription system ... even down to
rumours of fools like BMW and Tesla thinking of charging a subscription
fee to use the heated seats in your car!

Re: car subscriptions. Not rumors.

Sort of. The subscriptions to use hardware-based things already built
into the car have so far not eventuated. Subscriptions for
software-based things do exist though.
BMW was thinking subscriptions for things like heated seats, but
quickly dropped the idea when everyone complained how idiotic it was.
BMW do still charge a subscription for their "Connected Drive" services
though.
Tesla do charge a subscription for their "Premium Connectivity" package
and (I think) their useless "full self-driving" feature that doesn't
work properly anyway.

I won't subscribe.

[The True Doctor]

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"Tech's takeover of show business has turned everything into
streaming."
This is the landscape in which the sad state of home video
continued deteriorating in 2024. Best Buy ceased carrying
DVDs this year. Target followed suit. Redbox rented its final
Liam Neeson movie and shuttered its kiosks in July. Finally,
LG announced just last week that it would discontinue all its
UHD Blu-ray and Blu-ray players, joining Samsung and Sony in
ditching the optical drive.

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https://www.avclub.com/death-of-dvd-death-of-streaming-physical-
media

 >>>>> I copied this from another newsgroup as some here might find the

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article of interest.

Physical Media will not die.

Depends what YOU mean by "Physical Media", Gobble-de-gook.
I mean Computer/PVR Hard-drives ARE 'Physical Media', aren't they??
Perhaps YOU, Gobble-de-gook, meant *Removable* 'Physical Media'!!

I don't see anyone selling those pre-recorded with TV shows and
movies in the shops, or even SDXD cards which are now cheaper per GB
than those stupid Blu-ray things. All the more reason to torrent
stuff you've already paid for if the studios won't replace your
legacy media with new media which you can still play.

But, if the 'Studios' (e.g. BBC) know there IS a market for the
physical product, maybe that'd give them reason to produce more
Product which they could then sell on Media so they might produce more
Product ......
Maybe!!

Nope.
The technology has advanced to where they can charge you every time you
view the product.  Why would they accept being paid only once when that
became a viable option?

Why is going to watch a modern movie more than once? They're all full of
woke crap which causes bad writing and bad story telling. Why would
anyone want to watch a modern Doctor Who episode which encourages people
to commit suicide, or show it to their kids so they can go an kill
themselves?

[The True Doctor]

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Post by Daniel70

Post by The Doctor

Post by Blueshirt
"Tech's takeover of show business has turned everything into
streaming."
This is the landscape in which the sad state of home video
continued deteriorating in 2024. Best Buy ceased carrying
DVDs this year. Target followed suit. Redbox rented its final
Liam Neeson movie and shuttered its kiosks in July. Finally,
LG announced just last week that it would discontinue all its
UHD Blu-ray and Blu-ray players, joining Samsung and Sony in
ditching the optical drive.

<Snip>

Post by The Doctor

Post by Blueshirt
https://www.avclub.com/death-of-dvd-death-of-streaming-physical-media
I copied this from another newsgroup as some here might find the
article of interest.

Physical Media will not die.

Depends what YOU mean by "Physical Media", Gobble-de-gook.
I mean Computer/PVR Hard-drives ARE 'Physical Media', aren't they??
Perhaps YOU, Gobble-de-gook, meant *Removable* 'Physical Media'!!

I don't see anyone selling those pre-recorded with TV shows and
movies in the shops, or even SDXD cards which are now cheaper per GB
than those stupid Blu-ray things. All the more reason to torrent
stuff you've already paid for if the studios won't replace your
legacy media with new media which you can still play.

But, if the 'Studios' (e.g. BBC) know there IS a market for the physical
product, maybe that'd give them reason to produce more Product which
they could then sell on Media so they might produce more Product ......
Maybe!!

They know there's a market for it, but it's only collectors. Most people
who bought physical media only watched it once or twice and then left it
on the shelf ever since. It was still cheaper than buying cinema tickets
that you would only use once. Streaming on the other hand costs
substantially less than both going to the cinema and physical media and
you can now watch it on a 100 inch TV with Dolby Atmos, which is why
cinemas are closing all around the place and some have even been turned
back into actual theatres where physical people act and perform.

[Ubiquitous]

Post by Blueshirt
"Tech's takeover of show business has turned everything into
streaming."
This is the landscape in which the sad state of home video
continued deteriorating in 2024. Best Buy ceased carrying DVDs
this year. Target followed suit. Redbox rented its final Liam
Neeson movie and shuttered its kiosks in July. Finally, LG
announced just last week that it would discontinue all its UHD
Blu-ray and Blu-ray players, joining Samsung and Sony in
ditching the optical drive.
https://www.avclub.com/death-of-dvd-death-of-streaming-physical-media
I copied this from another newsgroup as some here might find the
article of interest.

Wait, I thought hardcopies of media were making a comeback?

[The Doctor]

Post by Ubiquitous

Post by Blueshirt
"Tech's takeover of show business has turned everything into
streaming."
This is the landscape in which the sad state of home video
continued deteriorating in 2024. Best Buy ceased carrying DVDs
this year. Target followed suit. Redbox rented its final Liam
Neeson movie and shuttered its kiosks in July. Finally, LG
announced just last week that it would discontinue all its UHD
Blu-ray and Blu-ray players, joining Samsung and Sony in
ditching the optical drive.
https://www.avclub.com/death-of-dvd-death-of-streaming-physical-media
I copied this from another newsgroup as some here might find the
article of interest.

Wait, I thought hardcopies of media were making a comeback?

Yes.

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have to audit liberals & wire tap reporters' phones.